tumblr rapper kitty pryde

But artists of this ilk raise the worthless questions that get bloggers' and commenters' blood boiling: Is it legitimate for a 17-year-old white girl with red hair to be rapping? Does liking her make you cool or lame?

Key word here - "worthless"

not really a t-bomb but kind of cute at least

She comes up with a lot of good lines. The sound of her voice goes well with the music. So what's the problem?

it sucks.

don't think it sucks. just don't like it much. figure it's music for teens, and they can make of it what they will.

it's kind of weird but i don't know that i've ever felt so strongly that my personal response to an artist was so entirely irrelevant in trying to work out whether or not they're "any good". nor do i really care to have an opinion about the latter. to me, this shit is science fiction, like something that's maybe happening on mars.

Define "dumb garbage" in musical terms, please. She comes up with a lot of good lines. The sound of her voice goes well with the music. So what's the problem?
--誤訳侮辱

Scintillating questions from the dude who constantly brags about not listening to new rap music

nice zing, but not much of an answer

Doesn't warrant one.

誤訳侮辱 = ???

Jin

unperson

Doesn't warrant one.

come on, sure it does. there have been lots of offhand slams in this thread, but no thoughtful criticism. which makes the collective distaste seem sort of toothless and silly, like it's more a knee-jerk, prejudicial reaction to the persona* than a meaningful evaluation of the music

* like maybe just guys hating on "girly shit", perennial human theme

Yeah def the problem here is people dismissing this outright than supporting fashion mags masquerading as rap experts hitting REPOST REPOST REPOST because they see internet dollar signs whenever a cute white girl says the n-word

i have close to zero interest in this music but can i just ask - are the lyrics upthread real or made up?

"but i gotta be true to my art / and soon you'll be exactly like elizabeth smart"

this just sounds like the sort of awful awkward shit i have to listen to when humanities teachers are like "oh yeah, sure you guys can do a rap video for your history presentation"

Yeah def the problem here is people dismissing this outright than supporting fashion mags masquerading as rap experts hitting REPOST REPOST REPOST because they see internet dollar signs whenever a cute white girl says the n-word

i do agree in that if there's one thing worse than a fashion magazine, it's a fucking "rap expert". fuck anybody who thinks people who have to pass some kind of genre expertise test before their interest & enthusiasm becomes valid. different people like different things for different reasons, big surprise.

I personally like MY rap music based on what gives hueg boners to the "I like Wu Tang and Gilt Group" paedo manchildren that are propping up the careers of white people who can't rap but look good doing it

lol, i assume that this shit mostly appeals to kids and specifically to girls, not to "paedo manchildren". but who knows?

the hostility of certain ILX clubs to things that are seized upon and circulated by "the wrong people" for "the wrong reasons" never fails to baffle me

Can't believe people on a music message board would value the opinions of experts.

also, i grew up with punk, so phrases like "can't rap" don't resonate much for me. i'm more interested in what people do within their limitations than in technique for its own sake (though i definitely appreciate technique).

Let me tell you about Lil B then

the only thing i'm an expert on is knowing what i like, though i'm building strong skills in challops and appearing open-minded

contenderizer you are being a little bit too uncynical imo

Can't believe people on a music message board would value the opinions of experts.

the fact that someone is up on every punk rock record ever made doesn't make their opinion of spiral scratch any more valid to me than anyone else's. the expert can drop knowledge and make connections in ways that the novice can't match, and that's great, but taste isn't validated by expertise or invalidated by its absence. it just is. lots of vastly knowledgeable experts have shitty ideas, or no ideas at all. and relative novices often have interesting things to say. imo.

Let me tell you about Lil B then

lol, i sometimes like lil b. don't have the patience to wade through the torrent though.

cant u just admit that this shit sucks! i know you think it sucks!!

LOL

also it is hilarious & perfect that unperson of all people likes this

re: expertise, i think teens would be a better set of "experts" to consult on the worthiness of this shit than professional rap critics, who i assume would reject it out of hand

listening to everything teenagers tell you in a transparent effort to appear down is not the wave

otm

also d'uh some teens will like this, others won't

some of the teens who like it will be cool inevitably but none of the adults or music critics who do will be

"david shapiro" is like a lump of cancer cells that became sentient and then decided to spend its time writing blog posts about how cancer is misunderstood.

ouch

really though aren't all humans kind of like a lump of cancer cells that became sentient and then decided to spend its time writing blog posts about how cancer is misunderstood?

"when i finally decided to kill myself, i thought about an ilm post that finally seemed to sum up humanity for me."

no way! that's a gold star cancer there.

listening to everything teenagers tell you in a transparent effort to appear down is not the wave

yeah, maybe, but i'm not into it, so i'm not too fussed.

sure, some teens will be into kitty pryde while others won't. that much is obvious enough. i meant that this strikes me as music made by and for teens, thus best evaluated by them, according to whatever weird teenage criteria they have bouncing around in their heads. when they group up, they'll re-evaluate it, and only then will we get any useful perspective on it.

of course grown-ups in the here and now will have and express opinions about it, too. we'll do this because we can't help ourselves, but grown-up opinion seems almost completely irrelevant. this music isn't for us, so the fact that many of us will hate it is no more interesting to me than the fact that a few will inevitably like it (though the former do seem a bit less creepy).

^ a weird stance to take, i guess, esp since i do actively hate a lot of teen shit - ICP, for instance. in this particular case, though, the opinions of adults (adult men, especially) seem completely beside the point.

also, i get really grossed out then straight guys who like attractive women fault attractive women for the success their appearance (arguably) earns them. something fucked about that dynamic.

then = when

also d'uh some teens will like this, others won't

enjoy the implication that "rap experts" are different in this

its pop music. its all 'teen shit'

think it's ridiculous seeing grown-ass music writers, the likes of whom may have championed, say, rock n roll, girl groups, pop punk, pop, etc, write off music for being too teenage, or imply it's inappropriate to see the relevance in it because you're too old. I mean, if you follow pop as an adult, then you're kind of being a manchild by that logic yourself

the real issue I think is some people find it outside of the boundaries of what they're equipped to write about anymore so it pisses them off

its pop music. its all 'teen shit'

yeah, to varying degrees. from where i stand (sit) as a grown-ass man, this seems much farther away from my world & concerns than most pop. like i can kind of relate to odd future, for instance, maybe cuz i was a suburban teenage boy myself. same goes for skrillex, in its way. and i can relate to pop music made by older women when it describes a world i'm familiar with and/or interested in. but this is just another planet. and i invite the denizens of that planet to have at it, cuz i can't imagine that rap experts will be any better equipped to negotiate it than i am.

ugh, good job being terrible about talking about everything, ilx

you know what's crazy tho is there are like....teenage girls who are making good rap music and kitty pryde isn't one them

maybe i'm not paying close enough attention and 'kitty pryde' just got a number one record release, the front cover of RS, and a favorable P4k review so a ton of male music critics screaming about how mediocre she is on ilx is not creepy at all.

'screaming'