i wish i appreciated wine more than i do.
― Cindy Mancini can ride my lawnmower anytime (thebingo), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
more lozenge than syrup because there is that tart sucking on hard candy taste. when i was very small i got very sick and couldn't take cough syrup; it made me gag. so that is the case for qualia and what you cannot recover in your own lifetime.
― youn, Sunday, 13 May 2012 23:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Robitussin, make me feel so fineRobitussin, elderberry wine
― Lee626, Monday, 14 May 2012 00:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
crozespommardbierzocotes de ventouxsome nz sauv blanc
― nakhchivan, Monday, 14 May 2012 01:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Does the shape of a bottle say anything about the wine it contains? I am asking this question after attempting to divide a bottle into 4-5 glasses based on the height of the label (level after the 2nd glass?) and finding it works differently for French (feminine) and Spanish / Portuguese reds (masculine). Spanish reds were featured in a Lloyd Cole song. If he were to rewrite it today, I imagine he would tie Greek whites to the drachma or something like that ...
― youn, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 00:40 (7 months ago) Permalink
It does: Burgundy and new world pinot noir have a rounded shape; Bordeaux and its grapes (cabernet sauvignon et al) have a straight cylinder shape; and Rhone wines (syrah, grenache, mouvedre) have an even more rounded, shapely bottle.
But, with a few funny exceptions, they all hold 750 mL of wine.
― pretty even gender split (Eazy), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 00:43 (7 months ago) Permalink
high shouldered = bordeaux, rioja, chiantilow shouldered = burgundy, rhone, barolo mostly
then there are those slender alsace/german things that new-world riesling producers kitschily copy
― Cornelius Chi-Dubem Udebuluzor (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 00:44 (7 months ago) Permalink
Giant photo, but here are the four common shapes (forgot to mention tall/slim for riesling, gewurtz, etc. from Germany and Alsace):
― pretty even gender split (Eazy), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 00:44 (7 months ago) Permalink
traditional jura wines are still sold in some peculiar size like 620ml or sthing
― Cornelius Chi-Dubem Udebuluzor (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 00:45 (7 months ago) Permalink
I think I've seen those .. Please forgive the gender stereotypes ...
― youn, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 01:35 (7 months ago) Permalink
The shoulders are meant to capture debris when pouring the last of the bottle, so you see them on reds rather than whites.
― nickn, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 02:09 (7 months ago) Permalink
the wikipedia page for vacqueyras is amusingly sniffy & embittered
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 18:46 (7 months ago) Permalink
Being a little brother of Châteauneuf-du-Pape and, arguably, Gigondas, the wine is moderately prestigious and can yield pleasing results when treated correctly.
The best vineyards are found on Plateau de Garrigues. In the lowland, warmer temperatures result in more powerful and often inelegant wines.
The red wine can be much like the wines from Gigondas but for some reason Vacqueyras rarely manages to match their northern sibling.
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 18:47 (7 months ago) Permalink
Vacqueyras is, like Gigondas, known for its power rather than its elegance.
G & V now seem ro be in a great place these days.
― pretty even gender split (Eazy), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 18:51 (7 months ago) Permalink
I almost never drink anything but cheap plonk, but lately when I want a wine with a reputable character I've been buying reds from the Cote du Rhone appellation, with invariably good results.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 18:52 (7 months ago) Permalink
there is some excellent wine from vacqueyras and it's usually better than cheap chateauaneuf-du-pape
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 19:22 (7 months ago) Permalink
Trader Joe's has a cheap Cote du Rhone that I think is not bad. I think it's the one with a rooster on the label, in a kind of squat bottle.
― nickn, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:49 (7 months ago) Permalink
i'll be visiting the states in about a week and will be visiting trader joe's promptly upon arrival. what bargain wines might you recommend, o ilx trader joe sommelier types? is that a proper recommendation for the roostery cote du rhone, or were you just giving it a backhanded compliment?
― messiahwannabe, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 08:22 (7 months ago) Permalink
I don't know if they have this at Trader Joes, but Ravenswood 2009 Vintners Blend Cabernet Sauvignon is great value at around $9 per bottle. Very drinkable and balanced.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 14:36 (7 months ago) Permalink
No, I do like the roostery CdR. I'll stop by again to see if that's an accurate description. It's about $6. I used to get their Black Mountain stuff, every varietal I tried I liked, and it was $5/bottle then. You'll have to try a 2 buck chuck, just to say you did. I "prefer" the Syrrah, but for all I know all the reds are the same wine.
I like the Casilliero del Diablo Carmenere, and a Bodega Norton Malbec, both $8.
― nickn, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:13 (7 months ago) Permalink
Rooster-y Cotes du Rhone is La Veille Ferme--mass produced but from one of the Perrins, so related to the same family as Reserve Perrin and Chateau du Beaucastel.
TJs is good at having exclusives on $5-$20 wines, worth taking a chance based on the lengthy descriptions in the store. Wouldn't go for Two Buck Chuck or $5 pinot noir unless you're hosting an art opening.
― pretty even gender split (Eazy), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:32 (7 months ago) Permalink
good call o.nate - ravenswood was my go to cheap wine when i lived in california, you could get it at every corner store and supermaket in northern california for $7/bottle back then. highly quaffable. glad to know they're still putting out quality product! dunno if they have it at trader joes but maybe i'll see it somewhere
i've bought blindly at TJs before, never gotten anything undrinkable but some choices were definitely better than others
― messiahwannabe, Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:29 (7 months ago) Permalink
you know, there should be a rolling trader joe's cheap ass wine recommendations thread! i mean there's a lot of turnover/new products coming through, right? pretty much everyone i know loves tj's cheap ass wines, but not all cheap ass wines are equally good.
contributors could go all wine snob and rate the bouquet, finish, nose, discuss the composition of the blends and terroir etc, or just call out exceptionally awesome cheapie finds
― messiahwannabe, Thursday, 18 October 2012 04:44 (7 months ago) Permalink
The TJ's Caves du Fournalet Cotes du Rhone is the one I was thinking of. But the rooster one is good too.
― nickn, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:00 (7 months ago) Permalink
thanks! off to tj's now and thought i'd check in, score. also, i can confirm that theirjunmai ginjo sake is v quaffable - if it's at all cheap i'll buy another one (tbh i stole that shit out of parents liquor cabinet and drank the whole thing in a day. yes i am 44 years old)
― messiahwannabe, Monday, 5 November 2012 19:46 (6 months ago) Permalink
drinking a red st aubin atm
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 5 November 2012 21:52 (6 months ago) Permalink
it's not that great, i don't think it's corked but it's quite astringent for village burgundy
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 5 November 2012 22:25 (6 months ago) Permalink
I had a Maipe Malbec 2011 recently. Good value - nice balance of smokiness, fruit, astringency.
― o. nate, Monday, 5 November 2012 22:27 (6 months ago) Permalink
just wanted to point this out:
page 6, Lot 001 Red grape table wine, 100% MN grapes
that's my dad's wine at #1 ^_^
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Monday, 5 November 2012 22:30 (6 months ago) Permalink
'Good intensity with beautiful raspberry fruit. Good weight on the palate with a clean Pinot Noir purity, elegant with a good balance, finesse and long length. '
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 5 November 2012 22:31 (6 months ago) Permalink
Also, the rooster wine actualy has a goat on it, but at some point it was a rooster, I think. And both are $4.99 here (LA area) rather than the $5.99 mentioned in the link I posted.
DJP: Your dad's wine as in a favorite of his, or one he's involved in making?
― nickn, Monday, 5 November 2012 23:01 (6 months ago) Permalink
appelation minnesota contrôlée
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 5 November 2012 23:02 (6 months ago) Permalink
how do you grow grapes in the american version of siberia?
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 5 November 2012 23:03 (6 months ago) Permalink
OK, followed the link. Perry Vineyard! How large is the label, production-wise?
― nickn, Monday, 5 November 2012 23:04 (6 months ago) Permalink
University of MN has an excellent agriculture dept all about creating delicious hardy fruits and vegetables to grow in the MN climate
Dad's vineyard is super small, with about 200 vines. He made about 30 cases of wine in the batch he submitted to the fair
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 12:06 (6 months ago) Permalink
in a fit of tightwaddedness i bought a bottle of 2 buck chuck: a charles shaw 2011 california chardonnay. it did the job and didn't taste revolting, but that's about all i can say about it.
also finally scored a bottle of j sparkling wine (the last one at whole foods) i've been looking for one since i had a really delicious bottle of the stuff back in '97, but this bottle tasted nothing like champagne - it was as if regular wine had become carbonated. not particularly impressed this time.
also, if you are going to try to re-enact the champagne blowjob scene from espedair street, i suggest you keep the bubbly at room temperature, not freezing cold, right out of the fridge etc
― messiahwannabe, Thursday, 15 November 2012 21:37 (6 months ago) Permalink
I picked up some Juan Gil Jumilla (Spain) yesterday. An earlier vintage got listed on one of those glossy wine mags in their "100 best of the year" roundup. It is very good and about $17. Vons supermarkets are having a 30% off everything sale with an extra 10% off if you buy 6 of anything, so I got it for under $11. Also picked up some Poppy Pinot Noir for about $8, also something I've had before and liked.
― nickn, Thursday, 15 November 2012 22:04 (6 months ago) Permalink
That one Vons I went to has a pretty impressive wine selection, with a special locked room where I could see $200+ bottles on sale. Never asked to go in, because that's out of my range.
Also a good beer selection.
― nickn, Thursday, 15 November 2012 22:06 (6 months ago) Permalink
Domaine Grand Cotes du Jura Trousseau 2010 (Jura, France): For some reason, my initial reaction was this wine tastes a bit like beer: I think my mother will like it. The Wikipedia entry for Jura wines states that yeast is used in the production of vin jaune. It is a light-bodied red, however, and has low alcohol content, unlike what is claimed in various Wikipedia entries.
― youn, Monday, 7 January 2013 01:46 (4 months ago) Permalink
vin jaune is aged like seven years in casks
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 7 January 2013 01:47 (4 months ago) Permalink
that sounds like a pretty nice wine anyway, maybe like an alsace pinot noir or something? i would like to try more wines from places like jura and savoie
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 7 January 2013 01:49 (4 months ago) Permalink
the other day i had some argentine malbec/syrah which was total dogshit and conceivably the worst wine in the world not containing antifreeze, assuming it didn't contain antifreeze
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 7 January 2013 01:51 (4 months ago) Permalink
Malbec/Syrah sounds like a weird blend. I usually avoid those 50/50 blends - I had a Sauvignon Blanc/Chardonnay once that was pretty nasty.
― o. nate, Monday, 7 January 2013 01:55 (4 months ago) Permalink
The different wines that go into rose seem interesting together. For white wines, it seems the most you can do is to use sweet wines for effect. I think I've had good Semillon/Sauvignon blanc. I also remember liking the Qupe Marsanne Roussanne.
― youn, Monday, 7 January 2013 03:22 (4 months ago) Permalink
well semillon/s.v. is p. standard bordeaux shit; malbec/shirz is more like we don't know wtf we're doing
― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Monday, 7 January 2013 04:19 (4 months ago) Permalink
no it's like whatever the worst cheapest shit to bulk buy and sell we can stick in a bottle for something that costs barely more than the excise tax
usually different varietals are combined maybe 70:30 or 80:20, many of the famous bordeaux wines tend to be either merlot or cabernet sauvignon heavy, or better mendoza wines might be predominantly malbec with some cabernet sauvignon
it's less common to employ a roughy equal amount of two different wines, at least in the old world, though you might find it with grenache/syrah or grenache/tempranillo in southern france and spain, and in australia/chile/etc it tends to be pretty entry level stuff
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 7 January 2013 10:34 (4 months ago) Permalink
The 2009 Dee Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon is pretty good value for about $12.
― o. nate, Monday, 21 January 2013 03:31 (4 months ago) Permalink