and if they're trying to move away from the network-tv-for-tumblrers brand, the jettisoning might not be a bad idea at all.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
wait, if an audience doesn't care about a show's acclaim, why would they care that a network has announced its cancelling all the critically popular shows? surrounding these shows with a bunch of CBS shit and then kicking the nerds out when they pale in the ratings I get, but I don't know what audience will appreciate an "all-clear in a year".
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
for the same reason anyone does anything with regard to 'branding'? the brand wasn't working, audiences were avoiding it, they're changing the brand. that's all.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
brand brand brand
- don madman from the critically acclaimed series 'mda men'
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
again, i am not questioning the decision to be CBS II with more multi-camera shit (other than the fact that ABC is actually having some success with single camera sitcoms and will probably love this move to abandon brains entirely), I questioned the decision to declare that brains have a year to get out.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
because nerds are losers and everyone wants them to feel bad
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
even nerds, judging by this thread
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
oh definitely
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
If they're desperate to be seen as non-nerdy, ending all these shows immediately would seem the smoother move than to risk giving them a whole year to damage PR and sign deals with other networks while Matthew Perry's "Go Away" tanks, but then NBC has consistently found "goodbye" to be the hardest word.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
ending all these shows immediately would seem the smoother move than to risk giving them a whole year to damage PR
very strange opinion
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
i guess you missed conan/leno
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
that was a pretty different situation
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
i mean maybe nbc misses having employees badmouthing them in the press while taking meetings
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
do you remember what a nightmare it was when they let Chuck have a season to end the show and the whole season was just Chuck shitting on a picture of Jennifer Salke.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
you guys realize we're talking about the entire NBC thursday night line-up and not a single show on the weekend right?
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
People are going to whine about the shows being canceled either way, but fans really don't like it when shows get canceled before an ending is written (see Deadwood, My So Called Life, Freaks and Geeks, etc.).
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
yes, that is probably the logic nbc has. a logic dependent on these shows going to heaven rather than taking meetings. they also thought leno would say thank you and in five years float to heaven.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
community has been on the brink of cancellation forever? parks and rec took a several month hiatus this year? both tina fey and alec baldwin have said that they didnt want to extend their contracts? this doesnt feel like enough of a surprise to be "controversial" or "a bad pr move"
― max, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
Looking at this from another angle: even if you don't see the 'cancellation' writing on the wall, I guarantee that the casts and crews of these shows are considering that very likely possibility. Even if NBC did decide to give the shows more than one season, it's likely that the creative teams will be so fragmented at that point that it won't be an option (see: fragmentation in the Community production team in the past week alone). It really might be worth it for NBC to go full-on scorched earth rather than saddle themselves with a whole night's worth of shows whose creative teams slowly split up/give increasingly less of a shit.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
thinking da croupier might have placed a lot of money on "six seasons and a movie." he might be in trouble.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
let me see if i can make this clearer. nbc has some cult comedies, a hit reality show or two, and a lot of shows no one cares about. they've just announced that the cult comedies will be cancelled (or really, kicked off NBC) in a year. the surprise is not that any of these shows are on the chopping block, but that NBC has decided to announce their EVENTUAL demise EN MASSE. NBC, the network that has regularly been bit in the ass by doing this very thing.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
a logic dependent on these shows going to heaven rather than taking meetings.
oh no, not meetings!
they also thought leno would say thank you and in five years float to heaven.
You can keep bringing this up all you want but it isn't applicable here. Leno made an announcement on his show that he was leaving, and Conan signed a contract, and the networked reneged. These sitcoms don't even have full season guarantees. Plus, live television is dangerous for the network in a way that scripted television isn't. If they don't like Community episodes they can just bury them. They couldn't do that with Conan.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
but that NBC has decided to announce their EVENTUAL demise EN MASSE
btw this hasn't actually happened yet.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
NBC, the network that has regularly one time been bit in the ass by doing this very thing something that wasn't much like this.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
i can't tell if i'm dealing with pedantry or obtuseness. i am not saying this is the death knell for nbc, but a familiar and avoidable source of embarrassment for them. they tell their talent that they're getting the boot after an awkward grace period, and, with the exception of chuck which was grateful for what it could get, they hoot and holler that they're the best thing on nbc and threaten to go to a network that would be happy to have them. nbc freaks out and everyone's got egg on their face.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
whose creative teams slowly split up/give increasingly less of a shit.
Dan Harmon and Mike Schur still seem like they give a shit to me.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
i wondered about the "rumor" element too, but i think NBC would have dropped a "woah woah WOAH, we're only canceling 30 rock" by now if it wasn't the case
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
but a familiar and avoidable source of embarrassment for them.
You are saying that canceling these shows immediately without letting them write endings would be less embarrassing than the alternative, and I am saying you're wrong. That isn't pedantry or obtuseness.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
but i think NBC would have dropped a "woah woah WOAH, we're only canceling 30 rock" by now if it wasn't the case
That isn't how it works.
NBC, the network that has regularly been bit in the ass by doing this very thing last in the ratings because of the consistently stupid shit that they do.
Fixed?
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
You are saying that canceling these shows immediately without letting them write endings would be less embarrassing than the alternative
if their goal is to wash their hands of the nerdfest they've currently got, yes.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
the politics & business of network tv is def one of the stranger things ilx is into
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
ha otm
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
go read a bronies thread then
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
washing their hands of the nerdfest
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
I'm into it by proxy because the vagaries of suits dictate what winds up on TV. Having some idea of how this stuff works and why certain things happen the way they do helps alleviate a little of the frustration when things go pear-shaped with shows I enjoy.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
but this is like if ilx had actual bronies on it
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
poly i was clearly responding to zachlyon's "re-branding" comments when i noted maybe they should just rip the band-aid off if that's the case
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
it's hard to believe that a bunch of music journalists and film journalists would be interested in television journalism.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
well itd be easier to believe if they were film & music business journalists, but im just playin w/e carry on, i do tho think they shouldve offed the office too for symmetrys sake
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
the office is set to be re-booted right? whatever that means
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
I'm honestly curious as to how they're gonna keep The Office going with half of the cast leaving. Are they still seriously talking about starting fresh with a whole new cast (speaking of terrible NBC ideas)?
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
I think that would be a terrible decision, but I agree that it's something someone might do in a hypothetical situation.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
NBC's decisions are roughly equivalent to waiting until the last week of your lease to start looking for a new place to live.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
but im just playin w/e carry on
psh when did you go soft
― polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
a breezy googling suggests there's already some folks saying the parks & rec/community death sentences are "premature"
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
― polyphonic, Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:43 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha i just didnt have the heart for it
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
tumblr may get its "jesus is risen" moment monday
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
So get writing, writers!
Also, "Freaks & Geeks" totally got an ending. Feig and Apatow both say it ended how they wanted it to end, just not when they wanted it to end.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link