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so...the cast and crew are going to be entertaining job offers while working on the last season? like every tv show that knows it's on its way out? (xpost)

some dude, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

really cracks me up that they'd allow headlines like this after what happened with leno. like, the one thing they should know not to do is announce you've given an arbitrary end-date to one of the few semi-successful things you have going on.

don't be dense, sd.

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

eh, the Leno thing was a genuine debacle. this is more on the level of "oh they're letting the Chuck fans have one more year to wrap things up, how nice."

some dude, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

matthew perry's "go away", anne heche's "spare me", ryan murphy's "the new terrible,"

am0n, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm not being dense, i genuinely don't understand what the "your soon-to-be-ex-TV show is going to be out on dates" metaphor means.

some dude, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

you are being dense, because you missed that COUGAR TOWN is moving to TBS, and NBC has just happily jettisoned three critically popular properties, basically leaving them with zero.

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm actually kind of curious to see what the total collapse and expiration of a major broadcast network looks like, and have no problem with them airing some good shows on the way down.

This, basically. NBC has been run by mindblowingly dumb fucks for at least half a decade now. This looks like it could really be the beginning of the end for them. I mean, regardless of whether some people dislike these particular shows or care whether or not they come back, there's an established audience who would probably stick around for as long as these shows are on. I guarantee that a large part of the reason NBC fails to see that is because it isn't reflected in the Nielsen numbers, which are growing increasingly-antiquated with respect to measuring the actual viewership of a television show (particularly shows that appeal to a younger demographic).

I dunno. Once that Thursday night block is gone, SNL will be literally the only NBC show I watch. So...kudos to NBC, I guess?

You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

whether any of these shows jump to cable and make their good-for-cable ratings into a virtue instead of a liability doesn't actually hurt NBC or even make them look stupid, though. (xpost)

some dude, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually, it does

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Maybe with some new shows they can finally beat Univision:

http://instagr.am/p/KdI-e_Md6F/

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i meant i'm not being dense on purpose in a way that warrants the reply "don't be dense," obviously i can't control whether i am actually dumb

some dude, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

now i don't have to care about the fate of nbc, phew

remarkable story of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

whether any of these shows jump to cable and make their good-for-cable ratings into a virtue instead of a liability doesn't actually hurt NBC or even make them look stupid, though.

It absolutely does. They've been dead last in the ratings for years, and it's increasingly appearing that their method of attempting to fix this is to chuck everything out and start over from scratch, i.e. effectively become the new CW. Maybe it'll be a process of hurting themselves to ultimately improve themselves down the line, but it's undoubtedly going to be a painful process.

You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, i feel like it's just some very forced schadenfreude to act like NBC is going to be screwed BECAUSE of this and not because of a hundred other much bigger reasons

some dude, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wow, I don't think I'd really looked at the current NBC slate of shows, but it's largely very Grimm (ell oh ell).

You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean i'm sure Futurama fans watch the new eps on Comedy Central and go HAHA FUCK YOU FOX but i don't think Murdoch really gives a shit as long as Groening is happy driving the Simpsons money train

some dude, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh, come on, all American sitcoms run too many seasons. I'd be happy if they were all cut down to 13.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

xxxpost

Oh, I wouldn't pretend that this act in and of itself is gonna sink the ship. It's just, as you say, one among many displays suggesting that the execs at NBC don't know what the fuck they're doing.

You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

some dude, I think it's fair to say that most television execs don't give shit one about the shows they air. As has been noted before elsewhere, TV shows are just ways to fill time and keep people's attention between commercials. But as viewership goes down, so does ad revenue. Execs most definitely care about things like that. At any rate, comparing the potential loss of these shows in the context of NBC's current state and Fox's loss of Futurama is kinda apples and oranges.

You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, i feel like it's just some very forced schadenfreude to act like NBC is going to be screwed BECAUSE of this and not because of a hundred other much bigger reasons

no one is saying this

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

What is the combined audience for these shows? Comparable to "Girls" plus "Veep" or something? 3 mil?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

is anyone considering the possibility that this might actually be a good move for nbc

'cancel failing shows' isn't really that far-fetched of an idea

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

these shows aren't doing appreciably worse than any of their other terrible shows though.

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

as i said upthread, if any of their pile of new pilots stick they could laugh this all off, but i don't know how announcing that you're jettisoning your most hailed shows in a year in and of itself can be a good move.

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

doesn't look like they really care anymore about appealing to audiences that care about a show's acclaim though. this looks like a hail mary to capture the masses that watch CBS, which the thursday night lineup could never do. can't really blame NBC for trying to stay alive.

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

and if they're trying to move away from the network-tv-for-tumblrers brand, the jettisoning might not be a bad idea at all.

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

wait, if an audience doesn't care about a show's acclaim, why would they care that a network has announced its cancelling all the critically popular shows? surrounding these shows with a bunch of CBS shit and then kicking the nerds out when they pale in the ratings I get, but I don't know what audience will appreciate an "all-clear in a year".

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

for the same reason anyone does anything with regard to 'branding'? the brand wasn't working, audiences were avoiding it, they're changing the brand. that's all.

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

brand brand brand

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

- don madman from the critically acclaimed series 'mda men'

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

again, i am not questioning the decision to be CBS II with more multi-camera shit (other than the fact that ABC is actually having some success with single camera sitcoms and will probably love this move to abandon brains entirely), I questioned the decision to declare that brains have a year to get out.

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

because nerds are losers and everyone wants them to feel bad

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

even nerds, judging by this thread

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh definitely

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

If they're desperate to be seen as non-nerdy, ending all these shows immediately would seem the smoother move than to risk giving them a whole year to damage PR and sign deals with other networks while Matthew Perry's "Go Away" tanks, but then NBC has consistently found "goodbye" to be the hardest word.

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

ending all these shows immediately would seem the smoother move than to risk giving them a whole year to damage PR

very strange opinion

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

i guess you missed conan/leno

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was a pretty different situation

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean maybe nbc misses having employees badmouthing them in the press while taking meetings

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

do you remember what a nightmare it was when they let Chuck have a season to end the show and the whole season was just Chuck shitting on a picture of Jennifer Salke.

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

you guys realize we're talking about the entire NBC thursday night line-up and not a single show on the weekend right?

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

People are going to whine about the shows being canceled either way, but fans really don't like it when shows get canceled before an ending is written (see Deadwood, My So Called Life, Freaks and Geeks, etc.).

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, that is probably the logic nbc has. a logic dependent on these shows going to heaven rather than taking meetings. they also thought leno would say thank you and in five years float to heaven.

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

community has been on the brink of cancellation forever? parks and rec took a several month hiatus this year? both tina fey and alec baldwin have said that they didnt want to extend their contracts? this doesnt feel like enough of a surprise to be "controversial" or "a bad pr move"

max, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Looking at this from another angle: even if you don't see the 'cancellation' writing on the wall, I guarantee that the casts and crews of these shows are considering that very likely possibility. Even if NBC did decide to give the shows more than one season, it's likely that the creative teams will be so fragmented at that point that it won't be an option (see: fragmentation in the Community production team in the past week alone). It really might be worth it for NBC to go full-on scorched earth rather than saddle themselves with a whole night's worth of shows whose creative teams slowly split up/give increasingly less of a shit.

You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

thinking da croupier might have placed a lot of money on "six seasons and a movie." he might be in trouble.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

let me see if i can make this clearer. nbc has some cult comedies, a hit reality show or two, and a lot of shows no one cares about. they've just announced that the cult comedies will be cancelled (or really, kicked off NBC) in a year. the surprise is not that any of these shows are on the chopping block, but that NBC has decided to announce their EVENTUAL demise EN MASSE. NBC, the network that has regularly been bit in the ass by doing this very thing.

da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

a logic dependent on these shows going to heaven rather than taking meetings.

oh no, not meetings!

they also thought leno would say thank you and in five years float to heaven.

You can keep bringing this up all you want but it isn't applicable here. Leno made an announcement on his show that he was leaving, and Conan signed a contract, and the networked reneged. These sitcoms don't even have full season guarantees. Plus, live television is dangerous for the network in a way that scripted television isn't. If they don't like Community episodes they can just bury them. They couldn't do that with Conan.

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

but that NBC has decided to announce their EVENTUAL demise EN MASSE

btw this hasn't actually happened yet.

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

NBC, the network that has regularly one time been bit in the ass by doing this very thing something that wasn't much like this.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Thursday, 19 July 2012 22:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hope he's not actually playing John McCain but a fellow city council member with a maverick past.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 July 2012 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've forgotten the finale but doesn't Ben take the DC gig?

jbn, Thursday, 19 July 2012 22:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah spoilers or whatever but they're filming in washington d.c. right now, there's pictures of andy and april right outside the white house

deist mountain dew (reddening), Thursday, 19 July 2012 22:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

aw man

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 September 2012 19:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

:(

Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 September 2012 19:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

I saw that yesterday. Makes me genuinely bummed out.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 September 2012 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

they've made a huge mistake

Number None, Friday, 7 September 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

maybe they'll work things out and get back together

Mordy, Friday, 7 September 2012 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

Why do celebrities get married at all? At least there are no kids involved. Oh, wait ...

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 September 2012 20:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah anyone who is married for nearly a decade and has kids and then breaks up because they are unhappy together is a real monster

Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 September 2012 21:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

Unless the divorcing parents are complete assholes to each other and around their kids, kids in divorced families turn out okay for the most part.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 September 2012 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

They did last a pretty long time, I admit that. It just seems that celebrity marriages often don't even meet the modest margin of the 50/50 national average or whatever. Kids in divorced families do generally turn out OK. Celebrity kids, on the other hand ...

This was Arnett's second marriage, I guess. The third Mrs. Arnett should get something good in writing first.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 September 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

it'd probably be impossible to quantify but i do wonder if divorce rates ARE higher for celebrities or if you just get a skewed impression since splits get so much more press than long happy marriages.

drag-∞n (some dude), Friday, 7 September 2012 23:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

First, you must establish measurable criteria for celebrity.

Aimless, Friday, 7 September 2012 23:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Everyone that's been divorced twice is a monster, I'm glad they are finally getting called out on the carpet, don't stop speaking out Josh

Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 September 2012 23:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

tbf will arnett IS a monster

drag-∞n (some dude), Friday, 7 September 2012 23:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just look at him....I pity those kids

Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 September 2012 23:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

i had a feeling and i just checked -- it was oct of last year that kim and thurston announced that they were splitting up
does this have to happen once a year or something? geez.

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Friday, 7 September 2012 23:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Susan Sarandon & Tim Robbins split in 2009. Who was it in 2010?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 September 2012 23:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

i stopped believing in love when eva longoria and tony parker couldn't make it work

manic pixie, mercy, yo chick she's so quirky (some dude), Friday, 7 September 2012 23:51 (1 year ago) Permalink


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