(THIS) POLL REVERE(S) — ILM Artist Poll #19 — Beastie Boys VOTING THREAD

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Oh, it's reputation had definitely turned around before then.

how's life, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

I remember selling stacks of it at Sam Goody in like 1998.

how's life, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

I dunno, when I started reading music press about 10 years ago (around and maybe a year or two before TT5B) Paul's Boutique was still kinda seen as... at least the one you'd buy last, if that makes sense.

Where was this? The VV-SPIN axis called it an uncommercial masterpiece from the get-go.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp Not how I remember it at all. In the mid-90s it was the benchmark record for DJ Shadow, Mo'Wax, Chemical Brothers, etc - the Chems even originally called themselves the Dust Brothers because of it. Maybe there was a difference between dance and indie circles.

Get wolves (DL), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

Where was this? The VV-SPIN axis called it an uncommercial masterpiece from the get-go.

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:57 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol british press

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

I dunno. I mean, this is just me from ages 10-15 in the Maryland suburbs.

^ymmv, but I noticed a similar pattern (& from an admittedly similar perspective). ime there were a bunch of kids who gravitated immediately toward Check Your Head b/c, on the surface at least, it seemed tailor made for punk/skater/indie/whatev circles. In general, alot of those folks had written the BBs off as a novelty act after Licensed to Ill, had basically ignored or were unaware of Paul's Boutique, and then listened retroactively from CYH to (re)discover the merits of both albums.

fishermen are coveted by whores & stoners (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

*'a lot' - goddam i hate missing the space bar on that..

fishermen are coveted by whores & stoners (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol British press

The first time I can definitely-definitely remember it having a particular reputation was in the Melody Maker 'Unknown Pleasures' book (1995) where it was mentioned in the Tusk section as commercial-suicide-but-nevertheless-amazing-because-utterly-uncompromising albums.

Its other notoriety was as the album which indirectly ruined De La Soul Is Dead.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Wait, what? Never heard of any De La beef.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

PB definitely had big cult cache as the incredibly 'cool' BB album (even by their own standards) in the British music press in the mid-90s.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

The theory was that Paul's Boutique was so sample-heavy that it forced the labels to take control over this anarchy; De La Soul Is Dead was the next similar album to appear, but got shelved for aeons while they had to seek clearance for every beat.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

ha i was actually about to compare Paul's Boutique's slow turnaround from sophomore slump to arguably most revered album to De La Is Dead

some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

xxp - I also seem to recall that, when Odelay became the toast of the town, there was a lot of buzz abt The Dust Brothers & thus a surge of renewed attention paid to PB - critically at least.

fishermen are coveted by whores & stoners (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

ha i was actually about to compare Paul's Boutique's slow turnaround from sophomore slump to arguably most revered album to De La Is Dead

― some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:18 (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

i meant sophomore slump in commercial terms, obv both albums got good reviews right away

some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

xxp - I also seem to recall that, when Odelay became the toast of the town, there was a lot of buzz abt The Dust Brothers & thus a surge of renewed attention paid to PB - critically at least.

yep – the RS Album Guide published in 2004 makes this point (some dude did too). I know I didn't get a copy of PB until my editor made a CD-R in early '97 ("It changed my life," he actually said lol; not sure he would've liked the Shins).

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

uh C-90

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

huh i guess the source didn't originally give out 'mics'.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah the RIAA certifications i posted upthread indicate that PB racked up as much as 75% of its sales to date post-Ill Communication

some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Yo, it's like that Prego commercial"

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

COS I'VE BEEN DROPPING THE NEW SCIENCE AND IVE BEEN KICKING THE NEW KUH-NOWLEDGE

otm, "kicking the new kuh-nowledge" is one of those things I look forward to hearing every time that track comes on. "Sound of Science" is fighting for a top-3 placement on my ballot.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah after 4 years there was a lot of pent up demand for new beasties material from several successive waves of new fans in '98.

This really rings true for me - some of my friends caught onto Ill Communication in about 1995, then over time people started checking out the other albums (I wound up with Paul's Boutique and Check Your Head on a C90 that I played to death in summer 1997). Hello Nasty was definitely an event, we all loved it - I haven't heard it in years though, I'm not sure how well it holds up.

Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Wiki reckons it samples LOADS of Beatles:

"Back in the U.S.S.R." by The Beatles
"Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" by The Beatles
"Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)" by The Beatles
"When I'm Sixty-Four" by The Beatles
"The End" by The Beatles
"Walk from Regio's" by Isaac Hayes
"Don't Sniff Coke" by Pato Banton
"Get Up, Get Into It, Get Involved" by James Brown
"My Philosophy" by Boogie Down Productions

Never noticed USSR or 64 in there!

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

64 is the backbone of the first half of the song.

how's life, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

I remember excitedly buying paul's boutique on its release date and, like a whole lot of other people, just not getting it. the fanzine I was writing for at the time was very pro-beasties, but we ended up giving it to lisa suckdog to pan since nobody else wanted to touch it. there were a lot of positive reviews in the mainstream press, but iirc they mostly exhibited a begrudging respect for its sprawl rather than actual passionate raving.

then a weird thing happened... in 1990 I got an inexplicable hankering to hear it again. there wasn't any impetus, like a song being in a commercial or a TV show appearance, just wanted to check it out again, so I went looking for it in record stores and couldn't find a copy *anywhere*. I phoned up one store and the guy on the line said, "you are the third person who's called looking for that album this week. no, we don't have it." some bizarre hive mind moment. when I finally did locate a copy it didn't leave my car stereo for months.

paul's boutique was one of those times when somebody gets so far out in front it takes a while to catch on, and nobody ever catches up.

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Throughout most of the 90s, the Beasties were a good year ahead of everyone else in almost every respect. I don't think they were conscious about steering trends, but they were doing it.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

the fanzine I was writing for at the time was very pro-beasties, but we ended up giving it to lisa suckdog to pan since nobody else wanted to touch it.

can i just say how much i love this sentence

some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'll have to listen again with 64 in mind; it'll probably be embarrassingly obvious now, it's just never really registered. The drums from The End hit me the first time I heard it, I think.

cosign on the sentence. Would hang with Lisa Suckdog.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

what's suckdog?

fishermen are coveted by whores & stoners (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Read Edward's post!

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

btw carrying on from this convo, Paul's is the 2nd most popular of the band's original LPs to return to the Billboard 200 this week:

In the wake of Beastie Boys member Adam "MCA" Yauch's
 death on Friday, the group's landmark 1986 debut, Licensed to Ill, broke back onto the charts at #18 on sales of 19,000, as business picked up by more than 800 percent over the previous week.

It was one of several Beastie Boys albums
 that crashed back onto the charts, which also included Solid Gold Hits (#51, 8,000), Paul's Boutique (#56, 8,000), Hot Sauce Committee Part Two (#107, 4,000), Ill Communication (#109, 4,000), Check Your Head (#124, 4,000) and Anthology: Sounds of Science (#141, 3,000).

some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was at Target yesterday and they had cds of Licensed to Ill for $5 (didn't see any of the other albums at all). I got one just because it's easier than digging in a box to find my old copy.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

pillbox you may know her by her govt name

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Crystal_Carver

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

very diff albums pecking order on the current most listened to albums on US Spotify btw: Ill Communication (#62), Licensed (#65), Hello Nasty (#66), Paul's Boutique (#70), Hot Sauce (#99)

some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

i just kind of vaguely know Lisa Suckdog as an '80s underground rock person, since she wrote the liners for the reissue of Sonic Youth's Evol

some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

I somehow ended up with a cassette copy of Licensed to Ill when I was about 15 - I don't remember buying it so I'm not sure how I ended up with it. But especially once I started driving, it was "the little cassette that could" for like, 10 years. Bored with new stuff, radio sucks? Throw on LTI. Crappy day, gonna drive to get some pizza? LTI.
Even when PB and CYH became the cool Beasties albums, there was something about LTI. And like someone mentioned upthread, it always settled those knock down, drag out, who-rules-the-stereo-arguments with your friends.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

lisa never really rocked, except maybe back and forth

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's going to be hard not to do a 100% paul's boutique / ill communication ballot

the late great, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

dunno that there's such a thing as a bad ballot itt

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

I fucked up the order of my ballot because I was too impatient to get it out there, but I'm happy with my song selection.

how's life, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

i just remembered that LTI was the first non-Christian record I owned as a kid (mom was on the whole PMRC/satanic-panic tip), on cassette & given to me for my tenth birthday by my not-totally-ex-hippie uncle David. My folks let me keep it for some reason &, there then being no rationale for a continued household ban on the devil's music, I was free to pursue a life of music fandom and hedonic apostasy.

fishermen are coveted by whores & stoners (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

my ballot was pretty silly, I'm sure I would rank them differently on any given day. Resisted the urge to just submit the Paul's Boutique tracklisting.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

when the re-appraisal of Paul's Boutique kicked in is hard to measure. I remember it being praised as similar to (and better than) "3 Feet High and Rising" when it came out while I was in high school, but I couldn't find a copy. I remember seeing the Hey Ladies video and being jealous of a classmate who had a cassette copy, but wasn't able to locate a copy of my own until 2 years later, at which point I was blown away. And then Check Your Head came out shortly afterwards.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm not sure reappraisal is the right word when the album got awesome reviews in '89. We discovered it many years later.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pazz and Jop '89:

11. Tom Petty: Full Moon Fever (MCA) 381 (35)
12. Beastie Boys: Paul's Boutique (Capitol) 347 (32)
13. Fine Young Cannibals: The Raw and The Cooked (I.R.S.)

interesting sandwich!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

would gladly consume such a sandwich tbh

fishermen are coveted by whores & stoners (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Really wish I had bought Paul's Boutique instead of Raw and the Cooked : (

how's life, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Owning either (or both) makes life better, so don't beat yourself up.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm not sure reappraisal is the right word

sure - it's an album that had trouble finding it's audience, I guess. I'm not sure why. It's not like my tastes changed radically between '89 and '91, I just literally could not get my hands on the album.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I heard about it for a few years before I actually heard it. I remember reading excited reviews about it in various places, but unlike LTI -- which was much in evidence everywhere throughout my college years -- I don't remember knowing anyone who had a copy of Paul's Boutique. It went on my "I should check that out" list, and eventually I did.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink


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