the most important election of your lifetime: 2012 american general election thread

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oh, have I been wrong? Haven't noticed, need more coffee.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

...and I guess I know what I'd do in San Francisco this Saturday night.

http://www.gp.org/press/pr-state.php?ID=506

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like Rose Aguilar

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

I finally read that Sunday Times Mag piece on the '08 Wall St Obama donors who think he hasn't kissed their ass enough. Start this country over please.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

It also illustrates the quadrennial presidential auction as vividly as anything else I've read.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't know why I keep being surprised by how thin-skinned and obvious these guys are.

He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.baywindows.com/romney-ill-be-better-than-ted-for-gay-rights-53688

Have you guys talked about this article? This guy's position seems to have evolved.

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 16:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, gawker or buzzfeed or whomever was talking about this and, as I pointed out yesterday, at least Obama, for whatever reasons, evolved in the right direction.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 10 May 2012 16:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Romney has a lot of work ahead. I don't see how he lines up with, much less defeats, Obama in November. Anything's possible, but Romney doesn't strike me as a come-from-behind maverick. Then again, that's my personal opinion. I'll leave it to the states to decide.

http://dennisperrin.blogspot.com/2012/05/got-to-let-it-show.html

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 May 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

snap crackle or pop?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 May 2012 17:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol Dennis Perrin never gets old.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

he does, but much more naturally than the obsession w/ Romney trivia vs war crimes does.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 May 2012 17:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

as naturally as your obsession with posting in the wrong threads

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I know I introduced you to Greenwald only a couple years ago but still

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't think you did.

Nothing wrong with this thread, ain't nothin goin on but an election, whether you're a marriage-obsessed idiot gay or President Machiavelli himself.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

I posted some Bambait in the other thread.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Romney's base will like that story of him grabbing his high school classmate and forcibly cutting his hair

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

they could (but won't) point out that no one cares about Bam's bullying.

http://jahanzebjz.tumblr.com/post/2753963879/victims-of-us-drone-attacks-in-pakistan-drone

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

the release of the romney bullying story was deliberately timed to follow obama's gay marriage announcement, y/n? i mean, it had to be, right?

zubaz fupa (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 10 May 2012 18:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

the obsession w/ Romney trivia vs war crimes

probably should be Romney trvia (+ likely war crimes) vs war crimes tbh

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

fine, they're the same, except for nasty schoolboy pranks + dog roofing.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 May 2012 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes, because those are the only differences

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean, i get that you don't like things Obama has done, and I know that it really really irks you that perceive a lot of 'liberals' as being full-throated in their support and love for the man, so you have to compensate by overstating your case, but we're all pretty reasonable here. you don't have to do that with us. it's okay. you can tone it down.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

trivial pursuit hate crimes edition

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

ok, just let me know when the overstatement comes in.

I admit the dead bombed kids may not have been gay.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's really weird how we let this Obama character murder all these children. Very unpresidential.

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

If the dead bombed kids had been gay they were probably gonna be beheaded anyway.

Morbs, I'm not sure anybody is arguing for the atrocious acts of Obama and the military here, but you basically saying that there is only one issue (WAR CRIMES) and since Romney and Obama are the both the same it doesn't matter is really, really, stupid. I mean, America is a shitty, shitty country, no matter who is running it. That's got a lot to do with the people, of course, but whatever. But somehow saying that the guy who doesn't even believe in civil unions or planned parenthood or infrastructure investment or non-voucher medicare is "the exact same" as Obama is ridiculous. As shitty as Obama is, he's not Romney, who would not only NOT address any of your issues with the current policies, he would make a lot more much worse.

So yes, you are overcompensating by treating us all like we don't know. But maybe you really are impressed with Dennis Perrin's tedious, condescending, and rather obvious writing. If so, welcome to the fucking rest of us.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

If the dead bombed kids had been gay they were probably gonna be beheaded anyway.

in afghanistan?

http://publicintelligence.net/afghanistan-human-terrain-team-pashtun-homosexuality-report/

goole, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

i was being really flippant with that remark tbf

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's okay. you can tone it down.

i really don't think he can.

It was you. Miming to Tenacious D. (stevie), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

you basically saying that there is only one issue

I have more, and never seriously meant they were THE SAME. They do both fall under the minimum level of humanity required to get my vote, is all.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 May 2012 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

welcome to America dude.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

greatest country on earth iirc

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Looks like Obama's nice but pointless declaration has now become an issue in this election: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/05/10/481772/romney-adviser-gillespie-constitutional-marriage-ba/

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

We've had the lesser of two evils system since 1776! (xp)

nickn, Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Actually for a while there were the articles of confederation so nobody got to be president

raw feel vegan (silby), Friday, 11 May 2012 00:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha

The Reverend, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

she is awesome. also, i think carney's 'o look i am pulling back the curtain on your media trickery' schtick here only really connects with the dumber and more gullible corners of the voting public.

"i'm trying to go meta-meta on you" - oh please

It was you. Miming to Tenacious D. (stevie), Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

he may be a jackass, but there's nothing more awful about american broadcast news (and election-cycle political coverage in particular) than its completely tunnel-visioned focus on only a small handful of "major stories" each day, many of them completely asinine and in fact invented by the brain-dead news cycle's desperate hunger for the next big thing. i understand her frustration, she's just trying to do her job, and he's arrogantly fucking with the program. but that interview plays mostly like the hostility of the news cycle as an entity to any suggestion that there might be something wrong with its monomania, hostility to the idea that there might be other questions to ask, other stories to tell.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 21:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

If news persons are always wondering "is there a better question I could be asking?" they would never ask any questions. When the cameras are rolling you have to ask one question at a time. Usually these questions are what people are thinking about currently.

nickn, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

how would anyone in the MSM know what ppl are thinking about?

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

A story hits the news*, people think about it.

* yeah, yeah. Should it not have been reported?

nickn, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

i kind of think that "i understand the question, but rather than answer it directly, i'd instead like to talk about the way certain stories and questions are privileged over others by the media and how that limits the discourse" is a perfectly acceptable response to an interview question.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

He seemed to be acting as if this was a "gothcha" surprise attack when she indicated that that was what he had been invited on the show to discuss. And she wasn't going to let him pretend for all the viewers that this was another MSM blindside attack.

nickn, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

i kind of think that "i understand the question, but rather than answer it directly, i'd instead like to talk about the way certain stories and questions are privileged over others by the media and how that limits the discourse" is a perfectly acceptable response to an interview question.

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, May 13, 2012 1:41 AM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha no it isn't

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 13 May 2012 02:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's perfectly annoying and insufferable tho

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 13 May 2012 02:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

Maybe if it was a contributor questioning the point of the story (as was done on other programs on MSNBC that day, or at least Alex Wagner), as opposed to some Romney supporter unsure about how to respond to the negative press by shouting about how he's going to PUT THE MEDIA ON TRIAL!

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

wrt to this particular point, i don't care what side of the political fence he's on, or whether or not he imagines he's pulling some tiresome "gotcha". i didn't see anything so terribly impertinent in his response, myself, but he clearly intended to challenge the interviewer. i figure it was her call, and i don't object to her decision to snub him. he asked for it.

that said, i wish more interviewees, when asked about dumb shit like this - even if they've previously agreed to be asked about it - would take the "you know, let's talk about something else" route.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:07 (1 year ago) Permalink


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