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Don was totally turned on when Megan turned things around with Heinz, now that she left the agency for something that she always wanted to do since she was a little girl (eye roll) I think he is more than disappointed. Interesting to see how he'll deal. Will he still respect her?

i think he's worried he might not be faithful without her around him as often.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 14:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Or that she might not be faithful to him. They don't have very much in common outside of work, I could see her falling for some bohemian theater type now that the novelty of the advertising world has worn off.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I thought the set-up of don not knowing where she was at least introduced the possibility he could be on the receiving end of some infidelity this time around, obv he was with Betty but that was more her finally cheating rather than pre-empting him.

ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 15:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Pete's committing serial infidelity and is reading Thomas Pynchon. Don's sad-eyed, monogamous, and demonstrates a total lack of interest in Revolver. Weird, huh?

America's Mobile, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 15:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hopefully Weiner & co. have already gotten this sorted out for the season 5 DVD.

no, for the DVD edition the beatles track is replaced by "mrs. brown you've got a lovely daughter"

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I thought the set-up of don not knowing where she was at least introduced the possibility he could be on the receiving end of some infidelity this time around, obv he was with Betty but that was more her finally cheating rather than pre-empting him.

given that he is a serial cheater, i was surprised that he wasn't more suspicious, but maybe he was just putting on a good front.

rayuela, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 15:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya I was expecting explode-y Don, maybe he's learned a lesson from their big fight.

I liked when Peggy told Don to shut up.

Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Peggy and Don fighting like an old married couple was o_0

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

The fever dream episode at least implied that he might have cheated on Megan no? When the woman came into his apartment she said they had done it a couple of months previously iirc - granted she was a hallucination, but maybe that part was true?

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

she was referring to a much earlier incident, when he'd been married to Betty, iirc

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

The elevator bit this ep was so awesome and random.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

And SYMBOLIC.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

given that he is a serial cheater, i was surprised that he wasn't more suspicious, but maybe he was just putting on a good front.

i think don's putting on a hell of a front these days (and self-medicating to keep it up). the cracks give it away.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

if you were being kind you could say he's trying hard at marriage.

ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

It was funny when Alexis Bledel said "your irises are so blue and round"

Number None, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 22:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

the best "world has changed" moment all season was when the lab lady told them they weren't allowed to smoke in the lab

High powered Texas lawyer (symsymsym), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 02:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

so i am probably the only person who had no idea cool whip was diary free, and is completely weirded out by this? also Megan jumping ship to become an actress is the first is let down of the series for me.

JacobSanders, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 02:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

which one is a bigger deal for you tho

goole, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 02:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm in here with my eyes covered because I'm 4 episodes behind but I just want to say:

LOL DON DRAPER IN A PLAID SPORT COAT LOLOLOL

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 02:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

That coat gave me nightmares.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

so sad

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 03:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Megan is a disappointment because i have enjoyed seeing don happy and sort of growing with a lady, now i feel he will go by the wayside, i guess i thought she could save him in a way. also giving up a real job for a childhood dream while ignoring the partnership she had been creating with don just seems juvenile, after she worked so hard to have the job. but yeah don was respectable, still

JacobSanders, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 04:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh no way, i thought they telegraphed that having your wife as a coworker/subordinate in that atmosphere with so many crossed lines of obedience and obligation was a total minefield. i wouldn't work there either!

now they get to play with don feeling like his life's work has been insulted and he can't speak or even see that clearly. great!

goole, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 05:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah megan quitting a) made me like her more because she isn't just living for don's pleasure and b) makes things more interesting.
I def did not get why she was so overwrought w peggy and the creative peons

sarahell, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 05:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

so we are to believe megan never really cared about working at scdp? that it was not only because her father reprimanded her about her true passion for acting (which is more admirable in the eyes of a marxist than advertising?) but that she had these deep seated resentments building in her? she was the one to pursue the job,i mean it was her idea.

JacobSanders, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 07:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's actually quite funny watching Peggy being blindsided, confused and a bit butthurt by the revelation that working in advertising maybe isn't the most amazing thing a talented and bright girl might want to do.

Megan comes from an academic upper-middle class background from what I can see and watching that sit awkwardly with these overpriveleged vacuous commercial guys and scrappier types who have worked their way up from the bottom is a perspective we haven't really seen much of yet.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 09:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's also something you see in offices all over the place, how many people feel their academic and other talents are being wasted in even successful, highly-paid jobs? I say go Megan.

The conversation between Joan and Peggy about her was pretty illuminating as well, Joan didn't get Megan, and what Don sees in Megan, at all.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 09:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

No I think Joan understands both of their basic motivations pretty well (esp. Don's) but what I don't think that Joan understands or is interested in is copy-writing and why someone would or would not find it fulfilling work on a creative level.

"so we are to believe megan never really cared about working at scdp?"

No I think she cared about/was interested in the job until she actually did it and then she realized it wasn't what she wanted. And her father (not because he thought acting was more admirable, but more cause he's a shit disturber) just provided a reminder about her previous cares.

Weirdest sequence was Ginsburg complaining about her not having any money for lunch and owing him?!?! I'm still trying to parse this.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 12:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

stereotypically Jewish? I dunno, I had trouble w/ understanding that too.

et tu, twinkletoes? (remy bean), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 12:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think Megan's character is making sense... the birthday performance, the acting lessons, the maybe-pretend-angry chases around the house. I think she is a little too 'liberated' for stodgy-ol' Don, and I'm predicting the season's teaser poster (Don inna chair facing a naked mannequin) presages Betty chemo baldness & nude Megan onstage. Don is/will be "embarrassed" by her openness abt. sex, I think?

et tu, twinkletoes? (remy bean), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 12:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Haha no I understood Ginsburg complaining about it! I'd complain about that! I didn't understand why she consistently didn't have any money?!

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 12:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh, I see. I hadn't even picked up on that – I was too amused by the interaction b/w two of my favorite characters.

et tu, twinkletoes? (remy bean), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 12:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Forreals - $15 is a relatively small amount now, esp in NYC, but in 1966? I'd complain, too!

Sauvignon Blanc Mange (B.L.A.M.), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 12:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like your take on the poster, Remy. We've already seen Megan embarass Don with her sexiness once.. Betty's cancer was supposed to be a false alarm though, no?

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 12:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Betty's continued absence (albeit necessitated by JJ's pregnancy) and trips upstate w/ Henry and the fact that we didn't hear the all-clear from the oncologist leads me to believe she might be feigning wellness. (Even from him?)

et tu, twinkletoes? (remy bean), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can see that, though I do agree she's probably upstate a lot because of JJ's pregnancy.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Haha no I understood Ginsburg complaining about it! I'd complain about that! I didn't understand why she consistently didn't have any money?!

Megan is a princess

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

A princess who fronts Queen.

Alba, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

megan not having any money = during the workday she operates within her own salary, which is pretty low. she could have a roll of bills from don everyday but doesn't. it think it was meant to show she really was trying to be a team player.

goole, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

(an effort constantly stymied by don yanking her out of work all the time)

peggy saying "she's one of those girls who's good at everything" was p interesting

goole, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

megan not having any money = during the workday she operates within her own salary, which is pretty low. she could have a roll of bills from don everyday but doesn't. it think it was meant to show she really was trying to be a team player.

Either that or Don was the person who carried cash on him and she never put much thought into bringing money to work for things like lunch.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

hmm yeah those are opposing theories but both plausible!

goole, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

OR THAT WAS HER PLAN ALL ALONG

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

lunch heist

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

No I think Joan understands both of their basic motivations pretty well (esp. Don's) but what I don't think that Joan understands or is interested in is copy-writing and why someone would or would not find it fulfilling work on a creative level.

this is OTM. think she nailed Don + Megan's relationship apart from the creative angle.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Megan otm imo. They've been building her up through various performances (Zu Bee Zu, that last pitch with Don, even roleplaying w Don) and people in general being entranced with her as she is a natural performer or something. I think the show will definitely have her get into that world professionally, it's not just a dumb childhood dream, and good for her stepping aside when there are probably plenty of aspiring copyrighters that are not married to a wealthy Ad Exec that affords them the opportunity to pursue such a career.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's totally a dumb childhood dream, she's trying to break into a career that at best will offer her, given her current age, maybe a decade's worth of work.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

the odds that she's gonna leave Don seem pretty high to me

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

she doesn't respect what he does, he's going to get older and out of touch, he can't tie her to him with children - eventually she's going to just treat him like a piggybank and they're both going to resent the other

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink


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