Was it ethically acceptable of me to buy Volume I of Robert A Caro's Pulitzer Prize-winning 3000-page Lyndon Baines Johnson biography, get bored by page 3, then exchange it for the Justin Timberlake

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Erik Nelson: two-thirds too long.

http://www.salon.com/2012/05/07/robert_caros_bloated_lbj_biography/

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 May 2012 23:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

there was a pretty silly review in the washington post: it complained that caro's sentences were too long, then patronizingly likened it to carl sandburg's book on 'lincoln' and said that it probably wouldn't be used by future historians.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 7 May 2012 23:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

The debate about JFK's decision to choose LBJ as a running mate DOES go on too long, and the book includes too many passages of the "Dormant for three years, suddenly aides saw the grim determination and tight-set mouth they recognized from the fifties" variety. But I haven't finished it yet.

Morbs, have you read any of it?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 23:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean Gibbon's history is also two-thirds too long tbh.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 23:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

'another damned book! always scribble, scribble! eh, mr gibbon?'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 7 May 2012 23:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

No, I haven't even opened the copy of The Power Broker I've owned for eons.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 May 2012 23:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

all these books are too long but i mean whatever. what does everyone have to do that's so important.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 01:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

caro does repeat himself like you wouldn't believe but the appropriate reaction to that i think is an indulgent lol. and some skimming.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 01:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

also for some reason all of the copies of this on the shelf at powell's are autographed

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

'caro was here'

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

"But was there also something about Caro’s pursuit of L.B.J. that was just a little bit Ahab-like?"

an editor let this through?

If the Johnson of Volumes 1 and 2 is the “bad” L.B.J., then the Johnson of Volume 4 is the “good” one. It is almost as if Caro is writing about two different people — as if, for all his reportorial skill, he can’t countenance Johnson being both ruthless and compassionate in the same volume. He has to be one or the other.

This man has neither read Caro's book nor indeed any book.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 May 2012 20:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

I hope someday to become this maniacally devoted to a project. So far my project-perseverance record is a couple years at a couple hours a week.

raw feel vegan (silby), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

guy is too effin' slow, he better live to 90

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

Caro makes by far the most convincing case for RFK Maturing than any one of the hagiographers I've read. Apparently he really did create a professional, elite Justice Department and did care about the poor.

oh, to have such an Attorney General once again ...

Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Jon Stewart seemed a little cowed by him the other night--hardly joked around at all.

clemenza, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

after reading that Esquire profile I'd be cowed too.

raw feel vegan (silby), Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

alright i have a library copy of master of the senate

markers, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

I finally decided to dig into this and um, started in the middle with "Passage of Power" since that was the first volume available from the library and holy shit this guy really delivers on the meticulously researched anecdotes

Οὖτις, Monday, 21 March 2016 20:37 (1 month ago) Permalink

so many zingers

Οὖτις, Monday, 21 March 2016 20:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

was sure he was either dead or finished

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 21 March 2016 20:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

upon thread bump i mean.

johnson anecdotes always irresistable; i swear 50% of the footnotes in the taylor branch king years trilogy are just johnson quotes that couldn't be justified as part of the main text

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 21 March 2016 20:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

or thin

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 March 2016 20:50 (1 month ago) Permalink

xpost

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 March 2016 20:50 (1 month ago) Permalink

Master of the Senate delivers big time.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 21 March 2016 20:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

passage of power probably the worst volume so far btw! mean this as good news.

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 21 March 2016 20:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

he's so thin is the thing. he really is the shadow george r r martin.

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 21 March 2016 20:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

I'll probably backtrack to the previous volumes if I can find them, I'm barreling through this one

Οὖτις, Monday, 21 March 2016 20:55 (1 month ago) Permalink

JFK purportedly ordering his staff not to slight the veep, the veep getting snickered at Georgetown cocktail parties, Arthur Schlesinger the toady, the loathsome Kenny O'Donnell. I admire LBJ for being such a good politician that the mask never slipped: he never dissed JFK in public ever.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 March 2016 20:57 (1 month ago) Permalink

i need to go back and reread these, tho the thought of plowing through the first book again and all that forlorn texas countryside is kinda harrowing

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 21:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

what about the forlorn upholstery and the scampering feet of Kennedy children in the East Wing

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 March 2016 21:02 (1 month ago) Permalink

it's not on the same level as caro but doris kearns goodwin's book about hanging out with LBJ at the end of his life is a good companion piece to these books, lots and lots of uncensored quotes from LBJ himself, probably more fun to read than his actual memoirs

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 21:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

what I've read about the final years is grim: LBJ becoming a mean old pasha directing to the last ounce grain rations for cattle, berating his staff over dumb shit, taking up smoking again. He treated the ranch like the majority leader's office.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 March 2016 21:07 (1 month ago) Permalink

shocked you didn't mention his hair

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 21 March 2016 21:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

lbj back on the ranch is what's meant by the cliche "a broken man"

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 21 March 2016 21:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

as shocked as Sissy Spacek during her BOTH BROTHERS moment

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 March 2016 21:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

lbj back on the ranch is what's meant by the cliche "a broken man"

just going by the wiki entry it sounds like pretty hardcore deathwish shit

Οὖτις, Monday, 21 March 2016 21:14 (1 month ago) Permalink

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 March 2016 21:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

Discussing his latest new age electronica record

Οὖτις, Monday, 21 March 2016 21:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

so how bad is this HBO thing w Cranston gonna be? Feel like they should've put some prosthetic jowls on him

Οὖτις, Monday, 25 April 2016 22:25 (5 days ago) Permalink

is he playing Lady Bird

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 April 2016 22:26 (5 days ago) Permalink

"It premiered on Broadway in March 2014, in a production also directed by Rauch, which won the 2014 Tony Award and Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Play. Bryan Cranston won the Tony Award for Best Actor in a Play for his performance."

maybe not that bad

-_- (jim in glasgow), Monday, 25 April 2016 22:34 (5 days ago) Permalink

wow, I had no idea Justin Timberlake wrote an LBJ bio

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Monday, 25 April 2016 22:37 (5 days ago) Permalink

singer-songwriter-keyboardist-LBJ hagiographer

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 April 2016 22:44 (5 days ago) Permalink


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