The Return Of My Bloody Valentine

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also, i already have flacs of the remasters and possess an embarrassing amount of unreleased MBV material. "bilinda song" has been one of my favorites for years and it kinda confuses me that "kevin song" wasn't included with the remastered ep's. i'm buying these purely for support-ical reasons, as any funding that contributes to shield's putting forth this new album i will gladly donate. i've considered starting a paypal fund just to hurry this shit up - the worlds ending for chrissake.

kelpolaris, Monday, 7 May 2012 21:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

OK, so -

- Single-disc remaster of Loveless via Amazon.com: $66.50

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007ROVEB6/ref=s9_bbs_gw_d6_g15_ir04?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=1PXMX5Z99FW6T585F7JX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938811&pf_rd_i=507846

- Double-disc remaster of Loveless via amazon.co.uk: $19.11 (including shipping)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00197X1V8/ref=ox_ya_os_product

I got... um, the latter one.

Stravinsky joins the Zulu nation (zero of the signified), Monday, 7 May 2012 22:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I too have Amazon prime, but the shipping on these from the UK was about $2.50 each when ordered together and only takes about 5 days.

Anyway, if you're not in a rush, then I'm sure there'll be a US release someday.

Spencer Chow, Monday, 7 May 2012 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok, maybe i'll consider that then. how did you get your prime shipping to transfer over? i tried logging into amazon.co.uk w/ my US account and was required to make a new one.

kelpolaris, Monday, 7 May 2012 22:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Prime is not eligible when ordering from the UK site. Your login/password should be the same as your US account. Here is the shipping cost schedule for the USA: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200706160&pop-up=1

Spencer Chow, Monday, 7 May 2012 22:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

The shipping cost I mentioned earlier is standard for everyone (Prime or no) and was based on ordering all 3.

I mean, if you're fine with your FLACs, they'll probably be out here eventually for $10/each with Prime.

I am just an old physical media nerd.

Spencer Chow, Monday, 7 May 2012 22:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

That gets excited about imports etc. Remember those???

Spencer Chow, Monday, 7 May 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just picked up my copy of the EP's CD from HMV for £10. Bit of a missed opportunity for liner notes. Just pictures of the EP covers on the inside sleeve and again in the booklet with a centre spread of small band pics.

ringworm, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 09:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

In hmv, all three bought together on special offer of £25.

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

think someone said fopp were doing the same.

koogs, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

with free poster...

koogs, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fopp is a small distance, but cool.

xpost yeah right.

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually, I take that back..

Anyways, dnw free poster.

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

I bought all three together in HMV in Exeter yesterday and didn't get a fiver off. Bastards.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 13:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jealous of you Brits. Going to check my local shop at lunch, but I'm not going to get my hopes up. After all, I've been waiting years... whats a few more weeks/months?

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 14:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

It took 10 years and tons of hand-wringing, but don't worry, they've completely botched the job:

http://thepowerofindependenttrucking.blogspot.com/2012/05/mbv-loveless-2012-remasters.html

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 15:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

great article, but still can't get over your usage of "dosh"

dosh dosh dosh dosh dosh dosh dosh

kelpolaris, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 16:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

"The 2012 release has the CDs backwards, though the cover art still indicates above."

So I'm assuming the printing on the CDs themselves is wrong? Confusing article.

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jealous of you Brits. Going to check my local shop at lunch, but I'm not going to get my hopes up. After all, I've been waiting years... whats a few more weeks/months?

Just order from Amazon.co.uk already! Virtually the same price they're getting in the UK shops (including shipping) and you'll only have to wait a week maybe.

Alright, I'm done trying to help.

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

I may end up doing just that, but the last time I ordered something from Amazon UK it ended up being a huge cluterfuck wrt to the order and it ultimately ended up getting cancled. It just made me not want to go that route again. Granted, this was in like 2006 so maybe things have improved since then.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Maybe it was one of their sellers? I've never had any problem ordering directly from Amazon.co.uk going back to 2004.

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I order from Amazon UK pretty consistently and haven't had any problems ever.

So the takeaway from all this is to not purchase any remasters on the first go-around. I had to deal with this with the New Order remasters and I'm fucking tired of it.

Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

So according to the dudes at Reckless, Amazon UK may be our only option for some time. They said they've gotten tons of questions, so they looked into when they'd come out here. Short answer, according to them anyway, is - they're not. Reckless will be getting the import versions in about a month or so, but they'll be expensive. As of now they aren't seeing any domestic issues through any of their distributors.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

These are selling hugely.

Top ten entries for all three?

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Re: the mislabelling and the "digital transfer glitch", if the way to tell the difference is indeed the clear start to Only Shallow and the fadier-fade to Soon, then they are mislabelled. The glitch 2:46 into What You Want is also definitely there, but it's weird, not like regular clipping, almost like a fault in the tape that's just on Bilinda's vocals or something. I need to read the P4K interview again, cos Shields mentions sacrificing one instant of one track for the sake of the whole album; I dunno if it was on the original remaster or the 1/2 inch one. If he's as much of a perfectionist as he's meant to be, it's hard to fathom that this could be an avoidable mistake.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 06:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Good quote from the above interview:

Much has been made in the MBV mythology of drum & bass tracks that never saw light of day... until now. "There's one drum & bass song, from that era when we were doing drum & bass music, which never came out," Shields reveals. "We were actually inventing a new sound – and this song doesn't really represent it, but – we were doing slowed down drum & bass music around 1993, 1994. But it just came to nothing, mainly because we didn't know how to do it. We didn't realise that you use just a few good samples, then it's about how you stretch them on the computer. We were trying to program it, work out every beat. We got some really good things, but the lesson we learnt was that without the element of spontaneity, without the element of chance we used to get from live playing, it doesn't work for us. Just making music on the computer isn't really what I'm into. But there's one song that survived from that period, that approach. Like slowed down drum & bass. Except, um... it's really fast."

btw didn't i braek ur heart (NickB), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 11:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hey Sick Mouthy, I too noticed the errant apostrophe on the EP collection sleeve. But I think that was an aesthetic choice, as ungrammatical as it is, due to their use of lower case text; without the apostrophe it would read as 'eps'.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 11:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I assumed so too. As a copywriter it bugs me, though!

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 12:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

The sleeve of Isn't Anything mixes capitalized (title) and non-capitalized (band name), so there's no real justification for the ep's thing

btw didn't i braek ur heart (NickB), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 12:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

they are also at Amoeba with free shipping:

Sort of. They have Loveless, Isn't Anything says "currently unavailable" and the EPs don't even show up in search.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

CD1, the mis-labelled 1/2 inch analogue tape remaster, is definitely more physical.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd actually like to hear the 1/2 analog master on a big audiophile-level system. I'm hearing a "difference" but I may be missing out.

Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

sick - have you had a chance to listen to the CDs on a proper system yet? (all the technical pressing errors aside i'm curious how they sound)

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sort of. They have Loveless, Isn't Anything says "currently unavailable" and the EPs don't even show up in search.

that's strange, Isn't Anything has been unavailable but you can still buy Loveless for $24.98 but yes the EP's are not for sale for whatever reason.

Bee OK, Thursday, 10 May 2012 03:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

sick - have you had a chance to listen to the CDs on a proper system yet? (all the technical pressing errors aside i'm curious how they sound)

http://sickmouthy.com/2012/05/09/wednesdays-listening-2/

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 05:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Aah, but you forget the part where I have Amazon Prime. Free 2day shipping, fool.

― kelpolaris, Monday, May 7, 2012 10:40 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

For some indefinite date in the future as opposed to probably within a week if you buy from Amazon.co.uk. Normally seems to be that when things are going the opposite direction across the Atlantic, from Amazon itself anyway, as opposed to marketplace. & a lot of marketplace stores are U.S. anyway when you're ordering over here.

Stevolende, Thursday, 10 May 2012 06:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Pretty lamentable showing for the reissues in the midweek charts – EP’s at 22, Loveless at 34, Isn’t Anything not in the Top 40 at all. This probably means that none of them will be in the final Top 40 on Sunday. So no Exile On Main Street-style second chart coming, due partly to poor promotion (does anyone know these things are out again who didn’t already know it?), partly to total lack of radio support (OK, MBV is not exactly Radio 2 friendly but I haven’t heard them being played anywhere else) and partly to reissuing them on a Bank Holiday Monday. When I went into Fopp on the Monday morning I half expected there to be a queue, but most of the people in there seemed to be going straight to the Small Faces reissues.*

*and another thing, music industry; don’t put 15 major new albums out on the same day. I doubt whether even Elton John bought them all and I’m only going to pick them up for £3 each in MVE round about this time next year.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 10:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't call that 'lamentable', "Loveless" only made 24 the first time out.

The Bank Holiday opening affects all the albums sold 'over-the-counter', and most of the other albums do not have a 'premium' involved in the 'hard-copy' as opposed to the downloadable. (Or, do albums not get downloaded as a rule in the same way as singles do?)

So, are the Small Faces troubling the midweeks?

I hung around MVE for the Jesus and Mary Chain reissues, in vain.

Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2012 10:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

A streaming chart is beginning on Monday so that may change everything. But Fopp were offering all three MBV CDs for £25 inclusive - no signs of this happening in HMV, and of course albums totally absent from supermarket racks (even Richard Hawley, #2 in the midweeks, wasn't in Sainsbury's).

No sign of the Small Faces in the midweeks.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I got mine in Whiteleys HMV for the same deal.

Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

didn't know there were THREE versions of SOON, as per that Quietus piece.

piscesx, Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, they missed off the Weatherall remix version, a shame as that was the first MBV record I bought, having heard it in the local recshop.

Eventually, tracked down the original and realised that was better. But, still..

Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

ah that makes 4 then aye. but also there's 3 of the actual un-Weatherall one according to Shields.

piscesx, Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

OK, clue me:

1) 7" single
2) 12" single
3) Weatherall remix
4) LP version
5) "Analogue" version

um...

Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

to say nothing of the cassette and minidisc versions..

Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

or indeed the Eno remix.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 11:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

The EP / single version, and the versions on the two discs of the new release, are not only different masters but different mixes, apparently.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 12:03 (2 years ago) Permalink


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