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they have an interesting dynamic going on - Joan seems to acknowledge their natural affinity for one another, but otherwise the friendship seems driven by Peggy's need for advice/to spout off. Joan never comes to her about anything. She mentioned her (ex)husband only in passing for ex.

Joan never seems like she's *needed* anything from *anybody*.

s.clover, Monday, 7 May 2012 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, she's needed things from Roger

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 May 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

but yes it's not really in her character to express need

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 May 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

This interview with Bledel seems to make it clear she's toying with Pete:

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/interrogation/2012/05/gilmore_girls_actress_alexis_bledel_on_mad_men_interviewed_.html

ryan, Monday, 7 May 2012 21:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

I knew it would be Tomorrow Never Knows, and when I clocked I was so excited to hear it in the context of Mad Men that Don taking the record out of the sleeve and cuing up the needle seemed excruciatingly long. When it finally came on, the song has rarely sounded as vital to me. Very well done.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 7 May 2012 23:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

How Weiner got "Tomorrow Never Knows":

Mr. Weiner said he had been trying “for a few years” to get different Beatles songs onto “Mad Men,” but had been rejected by Apple Corps in the past.

To win the company’s approval in this case, Mr. Weiner said, “I had to do a couple things that I don’t like doing, which is share my story line and share my pages.” He added that he received the approval from Apple Corps last fall, about a month before filming started on the episode.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 7 May 2012 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Never watched The Gilmore Girls but was blown away by Alexi Bledel's screen presence in this episode (not just flim-flam for fancying the pants off her, I don't think).

Loved the Harry/Pete phonebooth thing

Tomorrow Never Knows fell a little flat for me.

After all these years, Beatles songs are cropping up here and there – mid-period ones at least (I'm Looking Through You in that Ricky Gervais film Ghost Town, Norwegian Wood in the same and now this)

It would have been funny if he'd put on Yellow Submarine by mistake and really dug it.

Alba, Monday, 7 May 2012 23:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 May 2012 23:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Don't really buy Pete being hip enough to be reading Crying of Lot 49 in hardcover in '66.

Stevie T, Monday, 7 May 2012 23:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

whoah what I missed that

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 May 2012 23:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe ken told him to buy it?

get wolves (get bent), Monday, 7 May 2012 23:31 (2 years ago) Permalink


Felt a bit Anthony Soprano being into Sartre.

Stevie T, Monday, 7 May 2012 23:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Pete likes to keep up.

I thought his Head skis looked rather modern, but that's probably just a reflection of the kind of skis my half-sisters' grandmother had rattling around her cupboards.

Alba, Monday, 7 May 2012 23:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Pete likes to keep up.

...with the joneses.

get wolves (get bent), Monday, 7 May 2012 23:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

felt a bit of bait and switch with the "crying of lot 49" thing -- was hoping Howard and his wife were part of some cult and would tie back into Pete's L.A. experience with the aerospace company.

sarahell, Monday, 7 May 2012 23:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hmmm.. V. had already been nominated for the national book award. CoL49 got big ticket reviews in that year (e.g. http://cl49.pynchonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Reviews_of_The_Crying_of_Lot_49 ), but yes, I'd imagine Pete wouldn't necessarily be reading it so close to the publication date. On the other hand, I don't really know how much promotion and hype it had at the time.

s.clover, Monday, 7 May 2012 23:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

he does look a little skeptical in that pic.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 00:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

it should have ended on this awesomeness

does this season need some Dick Whitman action? probably best to let that one simmer but i do miss it, surprisingly. I'm sure it's coming.

jed_, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 00:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE IS. DO YOU KNOW WHERE ABE IS?

mh, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 01:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

do pete and peggy have a child together living with her mother or have i completely imagined this?

jed_, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 01:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

You saw her sister's child at the Mom's; she gave her baby away.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 01:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

ah cool, thanks.

jed_, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 01:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

SAVE IT FOR YOUR CONVENTION WHORES

mh, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 01:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

i will, thanks.

jed_, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 01:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

is this the end of Don and Megan?

sorry, giving by play-by-play 23 hours late

mh, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 01:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

'i was was raised in the '30s. my dream was indoor plumbing.'

mh, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

is this the end of Don and Megan?

I don't get that vibe. I just think Don's in a place he's never been before, meaning that he's not calling the shots and he might be okay with that.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 01:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

love Pete's narcissism when Harry comes into his office to tell him about Megan. juicy office gossip doesn't really affect him - doesn't give a fuck!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 02:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think I meant the Don/Megan advertising entity. Peggy sure wasn't up to the chemistry

mh, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Logical if boring solution woulda been to keep Megan on part time for the occasional pitch. She'll still he doing the performances at dinners with the clients, unless she starts moving ahead and being to tired to bother, which would certainly cause some tension w don

dan selzer, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 02:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

super-dumb to not ask Megan to still do the pitch, it's an acting gig

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 02:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

The part where Ginsburg was asking Megan if hey gave you clothes when you have a role seemed unusually meta for the show.

LaMonte, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

it was noteworthy that she didn't even have to put in her two weeks. usually when you quit and they tell you to go home on the same day, it means you've burned your bridges. the fact that don sent her home at lunch and she didn't get to stick around for the perfunctory cake... ouch. i think you guys may be overstating don's goodwill re megan leaving.

get wolves (get bent), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

i did notice that, but i didn't think it was because she burned any bridges or anything.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

figured it was more like opening the bird cage door and just letting her go!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

peggy made the point very clearly that don's nowhere near as sanguine about megan's choices as he lets on. peggy might be wrong, of course, but i get the feeling she isn't. don's trying awful damn hard to be the/a good guy, to respond pleasantly to his loss of control, but he's anything but happy about it.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Touré ‏ @Toure

It cost Mad Men $250k to use the Beatles' “Tomorrow Never Knows.” Lionsgate: it was the most expensive music deal the studio has ever made.

the minister of RAILWAYS (reddening), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Asked what he would have done if Apple Corps had once again said no, Mr. Weiner replied: “I don’t know. I would have changed the story.”

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Aside from songs that have been played in the occasional commercial or the Beatles cartoon series that was shown on ABC in the 1960s, the use of “Tomorrow Never Knows” on “Mad Men” is likely one of the only times that a Beatles track has been used in a TV show, music and advertising executives say.

"all you need is love" was in the final episode of the prisoner.

get wolves (get bent), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

british though

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

it WAS really fun (in a fourth-wall-breaking way) to go through that prolonged moment of anticipation where you're like "no way are they going to actually play it, but look he's putting the record on the turntable and everything, surely they'll have to cut to black or...? HOLY SHIT THEY'RE ACTUALLY PLAYING IT" but still, that's a bundle of money. otoh i think the season as a whole has been stellar so far, i don't know that infusing the money into the rest of the episodes would've made them even better than they already were.

the minister of RAILWAYS (reddening), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

figured it was more like opening the bird cage door and just letting her go!

this reminded me: speaking about mad men being too "on the nose," wasn't there an early episode where roger literally gave joan a birdcage while asking her to be his kept mistress?

the minister of RAILWAYS (reddening), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah beatles license doesn't become ridiculously expensive until much later (same is true of licensing in general, as anyone who's tried to watch wkrp lately can tell you). obv prices went up across the board but part of me wonders if the nike 'revolution' fiasco didn't play a role in making beatles song permissions and licensing costs so prohibitory, for awhile at least. zeppelin famously were the same way (and in many ways still are - no zep or beatles on spotify), not allowing 'dazed and confused' for dazed and confused for example, but increasingly they've been much more willing to grant permission, if the price is right.

balls, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Rock and Roll" was suppsed to be the credits music for D & C--Page signed off, but Plant said no.

Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

there was that video of Jack Black and the kids begging LZ to let them use "Immigrant Song" for School of Rock.

my favourite music rights story is Louis CK getting The Who.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

well the who is obv not too hard to get but w/ the budgets he's working w/ it is amazing he pulled that off, esp such a lengthy excerpt

balls, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i think he paid 7,000 for what would normally cost 150,000.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

as anyone who's tried to watch wkrp lately can tell you

yeah i actually have taped-off-air boots of that show because i can't stand the library music or 3rd-tier shit they've picked to replace the original music cues.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 05:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

"it was noteworthy that she didn't even have to put in her two weeks. usually when you quit and they tell you to go home on the same day, it means you've burned your bridges. the fact that don sent her home at lunch and she didn't get to stick around for the perfunctory cake... ouch. i think you guys may be overstating don's goodwill re megan leaving."

Don was totally turned on when Megan turned things around with Heinz, now that she left the agency for something that she always wanted to do since she was a little girl (eye roll) I think he is more than disappointed. Interesting to see how he'll deal. Will he still respect her?

Was a huge GG fan and loved seeing Alexis Bledel but thought she came off just a bit too Rory. It's her voice and how she still holds her body and that heart! It was the heart!!!

*tera, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 09:50 (2 years ago) Permalink


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