I got the exact opposite impression, the film felt more stacked against Jung than anyone else
― bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Monday, 7 May 2012 08:37 (eleven years ago) link
The point of the wood in the shelf cracking scene was more about how differently both men interpreted the same event, rather than showing either to be right about it. I suspect Cronenberg himself would side with Freud.
― bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Monday, 7 May 2012 08:46 (eleven years ago) link
Well, in the wood cracking scene it felt like he was being a bit silly, but the last scene was clearly meant to imply he dreamed of WWI before it had started. Okay, IIRC the scene happened just months before the war broke, and that point in history there were already plenty of signs that something like that could happen, so I guess you could explain it by Jung simply guessing subconsciously that a war was coming, without any precognition... But whatever the explanation, it was obvious that Jung's dream was correct. So, unless it's a historical fact Jung had such a dream before WWI started, I'm not sure why it was added to the script?
― Tuomas, Monday, 7 May 2012 08:48 (eleven years ago) link
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The wood cracking scene was based on a real incident. The movie downplays Jung's eccentricities in favor of emphasizing his bourgeois Protestant stuffiness--in reality he had a life-long history of prophetic dreams and interest in mysticism before any of the the events portrayed in the movie.
― bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Monday, 7 May 2012 09:03 (eleven years ago) link
this movie was so so boring
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
it was really bad
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
It's not top tier Cronenberg but I liked it as a pretty good Rohmer film.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
wrong wrong and wrong
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
I saw it again when released on DVD about six weeks ago and still thought Viggo was marvelous though.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
my admiration for this film grows the more time has passed.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
i'm sure the rest of you will be sated by Fassbender's Ian Holm android tribute act, zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 May 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
so bittersweet being on morbs' side in an argument.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 7 May 2012 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
Morbz as usual can't resist questioning the motives of naysayers.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
I think you mean so sunshine and lollipops. xp
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 May 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
I don't question, I de-CLARE
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 May 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
so bittersweet being on morbs' side in an argument
I actually love it the rare few times it happens.
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 7 May 2012 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
y'all may be aging into wisdom
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 May 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
my first time I didn't recognize Keira Knightley
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
My first time wasn't with Keira Knightly.
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 7 May 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
My overall takeaway from this is Keira Knightly is really a terrible actress (also disturbingly emaciated too). That distraction aside I guess I might have really like it, but unfortunately she's on screen for like 60% of the film.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Sunday, 24 June 2012 05:13 (eleven years ago) link
I liked this movie but I miss old body horror Cronenberg. There's a deleted scene on the AHOV DVD in which some gangster has a giant open, puffy, pulsating chest cavity wound with steam and crazy colored lights. And Cronenberg in the commentary for it says something like, "It was really 'Cronenberg'!" which is why he decided to excise it. Is this the last time we'll see such a thing? I like his new movies, too, but it makes me a little sad to think that stuff may never be in one of his movies again.
― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Monday, 25 June 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
I liked all the fights between Freud and Jung played out through discussions of dreams, ancient deities, etc., and mannered ripostes to one another's letters.
― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Monday, 25 June 2012 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
I guess also I was the only one who thought Vincent Cassel was crazy hot (and also just crazy). He has great eyelids and nose!
― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Monday, 25 June 2012 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
nah I kept waiting for an afterdinner Freud-Jung grapple
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 June 2012 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
The film should have been good (director, actors aside from Keira) but it was rather mediocre to be honest. Didn't help that I really loathe Freud. lol.
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 25 June 2012 08:12 (eleven years ago) link
I liked this more than most. Mortenson was terrific. Top-notch passive-aggressive cigar-smoking.
― Get wolves (DL), Monday, 25 June 2012 08:59 (eleven years ago) link
And yes, Cassel was a blast.