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Black Studies, Part 2: A Response to Critics http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/black-studies-part-2-a-response-to-critics/46401
stopped reading after "I was never a big fan of the feminist mantra that the “personal is political.”"

superpussy, Saturday, 5 May 2012 04:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

pplains, Saturday, 5 May 2012 04:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

superpussy, the Chronicle of Higher Ed stuff was brought up in this thread two days ago.

I encourage you to read the last 36 hours or so of this thread starting here - rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

improvised explosive advice (WmC), Saturday, 5 May 2012 05:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

whoops, sorry.

superpussy, Saturday, 5 May 2012 05:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

what pplains is trying to say is that we'll take the soup.

Three Word Username, Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

have we figured out racism yet

not if my posting today is any indication

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

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read this as "our designers are racist", spending too much time on ilx

the late great, Saturday, 5 May 2012 07:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

the spirit of this thread HAS been corrupted but i do think it's better to have a clearinghouse for all things that people want to go "hey, this is really racist!" about instead of having separate threads

― frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, May 4, 2012 5:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

yeah but i think we are or should be taking a good hard look at the impulse to post "hey, this is really racist!" things all the time even if it was on an 'appropriate' thread. like sure, when someone really famous says something really hateful, there's gonna be an ilx thread about it, obviously. but after a while the mountain of minutiae kind of becomes "hey another guy on the internet said the n-word, check this out guys" and i think DJP has a good point about why that's a pretty terrible habit to form.

some dude, Saturday, 5 May 2012 11:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

DJP has such a booming post that i'm getting aftershocks

suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 5 May 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

so my roommate moved in w/ a copy of "just busted news" that he picked up in tennessee

https://www.facebook.com/JustBusted

let me know if anyone wants photos

the late great, Saturday, 5 May 2012 21:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

feel like its an example of being racist against the human race

the late great, Saturday, 5 May 2012 21:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

We've got The Slammer, a dollar newspaper that's published weekly and sold at the finest gas stations across metropolitan Little Rock. An acquaintance of mine runs a tattoo parlor and offers a $50 coupon for anyone who's featured in that week's issue.

pplains, Saturday, 5 May 2012 21:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

so much wsos in these newsweeklies

booblights and the eternal frustration (how's life), Saturday, 5 May 2012 21:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's an 800-page thread on another messageboard I frequent consisting of mugshots taken from the local county jail. Definitely a casual indictment of the human race, from drunk frat boys to drunk sorority girls (who aren't aware of Facebook privacy settings) to dudes who lift TVs who happen to be black to parole violators who happen to have swastikas tattooed in their ears.

Makes me slightly queasy, but I have to say it makes me laugh a lot more. Bet you all didn't know I was frogbs in real life.

pplains, Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

An acquaintance of mine runs a tattoo parlor and offers a $50 coupon for anyone who's featured in that week's issue.

lol that guy rules

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

dudes who lift TVs who happen to be black

fucking black teevees, asking for it imo

(Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 6 May 2012 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

your tv is a who?

Aimless, Sunday, 6 May 2012 17:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

DJP's "I read that modifier intentionally wrong" punchlines aren't for everyone

suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 6 May 2012 17:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

TVs aren't who.

pplains, Sunday, 6 May 2012 18:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

tv never her

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Is This Racist?" Chronicle of Higher Ed blog bullshit update!

http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/a-note-to-readers/46608

hack overboard!

goole, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna vs. The Black Guy vs. The Yellow Kid

listicular fortitude (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 07:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

tv never her
--l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

Ty

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also whiney otm re djp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Is This Racist?" Chronicle of Higher Ed blog bullshit update!

http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/a-note-to-readers/46608

hack overboard!

― goole, Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:50 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Kind of vindicates whoever said (iatee?) that posting this stuff can help serve as a suggest-ban engine.

Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

national review and nypost are all crying martyr as we speak

goole, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

of course they are. nypost especially are the ultimate troll.

^^^nypost

a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

is that from trollhunter?

the late great, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man that just made me think about abiyoyo, which I haven't thought about since approx 4th grade

dayo, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

totally troll hunter

a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

The headline for the nypost is an attempt at being more inflamatory than whatsherface's blog entry on brainstorm.com.whatever. But that's the whole idea. They're like a two-year-old banging pots together.

a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

So I have actually been meaning to ask this on ILX for a while, and I think it makes a genuinely good discussion topic, not just "ew look at these racists" -- Is 30 Rock racist? Has their been discussion of this in 30 Rock threads?

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk. Donald Glover called Tina Fey "the most not-racist person ever" on WTF.

raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Liz Lemon as a character is pretty racist, yes

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

30 Rock has probably amassed the smartest collection of racial humor in the past 10 years besides like The Chappelle's Show, they've pretty much zinged everyone including themselves/their network already on any angle you could come at them with

kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

A few things that spring to mind:

1) Running jokes about Twofer's Harvard ed and implied AA (both, iirc, in Harvard acceptance AND his job. "It's a joke" seems to mask the fact that the implication is, in fact, that there would be no black writers on the staff but for AA (although I guess you could argue that this is a critique of the system and not of black people?). It's not as though he's presented as less intelligent than the rest of the staff, but I also get a faint whiff of "uppity" in his characterization maybe?

2) Tracy Morgan -- I mean there's just a pretty fine line to walk with a character like this and I think maybe it crosses into minstrelsy sometimes, especially in the context of no other black performers on TGS

3) Dotcom -- I'm on the fence about this. The show definitely plays the "turns out to be smart" for humor, but the humor may stem from him being the big tough entourage bouncer type who turns out to be articulate and sensitive moreso than just his being black I guess?

I also feel like I catch other somewhat racially off jokes on the show a lot but nothing springs to mind atm.

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dunno where to even begin with that kind of selective memory and spectacular point-missing and humorlessness

kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

i believe Hurting is sincere but honestly questioning if 30 Rock is racist is kinda quintessentially what is fucked up about ilx in 2012

Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think twofer is based on an actual white guy writer.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 May 2012 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

mordy otm

kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hurting 2 otm. Tho yeah you could say Tracy is a meta example of the role of black comedians in modern American media.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

"you could say"? the character has been used exactly that way, explicity and implicity, a hundred times over the course of the show.

kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

(Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost, Of course he is. But sometimes I think the laughs push past the boundaries of "meta" and into just laugh at the crazy dumb black guy territory.

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sort of in the same way that "I'm Rick James bitch!" became the hallmark of the Chappelle show for a lot of the white audience (not that I think this is Chappelle's fault).

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

but what does that make Tracy Morgan? complicit tool of The Man making jokes about his race, or too dumb to even get that the joke is on him?

kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Um, why would it have to be either? I'm not alleging that 30 Rock is some kind of evil plot to make black people look bad, I'm just saying that underneath all the "racial commentary" I sometimes get a sense of actual subtly racist attitudes.

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

well the show is exec produced by Lorne Michaels, who doesn't have an especially great track record with black comedy/comedians on SNL, so it's not like the show is impervious to criticism. i just think of most of 30 Rock's race humor as more suggesting a dialogue or an awareness of those issues than simply playing them for laughs or being unaware of them entirely.

kitty shayme (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

can you give a specific examples? awful lot of generalities here

judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 May 2012 19:24 (2 years ago) Permalink


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