your favorite american films of the past 50 years with female protagonists

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I'd like the Runaways a whole lot more if it had nothing to do with the Runaways and was just a throwaway movie about a fictional girlband

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

Anyway, the Bechdel test is an interesting exercise to look at the state of women in movies in general, but isn't very useful in assessing individual movies, IMO.

MrDasher, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i agree with that.

horseshoe, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

otm

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, nor is the 'female protagonist' thing, without a list of criteria... Though asking for favourites does make it a slightly different exercise.

emil.y, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Where are the Altman stans?

The only movie I mentioned was an Altman! Even though most of his films featured ensembles where few individuals really stood out above the pack, he generally made good use of female protagonists. He was a very female-friendly director (in many senses).

You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

No one likes Terms of Endearment?

Träumerei, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

prefer Steel Magnolias

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

love terms of endearment

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

I really like Nicole Holofcener's movies, Lovely & Amazing and Friends With Money. Both are largely populated by female protagonists and both pass the Bechdel test (according to bechdeltest.com).

brontosaur, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

Bring it On!

brontosaur, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

dug friends with money, haven't seen lovely & amazing. have meant to forever, just never got around to it.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

Walking and Talking is my favorite of hers

former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

walking and talking and please give are the best holofceners imo; walking and talking is my fave, too.

horseshoe, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Anyway, the Bechdel test is an interesting exercise to look at the state of women in movies in general, but isn't very useful in assessing individual movies, IMO.

― MrDasher, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:57 (3 hours ago) Permalink

yeah, it's idiotic as some kind of litmus test for watching/appreciating individual films but thinking about it gives you a sense of hollywood's generally sexist orientation.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nobody's mentioned "3 Women"

I mentioned it yesterday morning

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

disagree w/r/t hollywood -- hollywood's sexism is evidenced by gender disparity in high-power/high-pay jobs. the actual product is pretty much audience-driven.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

thanks for making me Google the "Bechdel test"

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

disagree w/r/t hollywood -- hollywood's sexism is evidenced by gender disparity in high-power/high-pay jobs. the actual product is pretty much audience-driven.

― Philip Nunez, Friday, May 4, 2012 3:09 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

which doesn't mean it's immune from dysfunctional attitudes on gender!

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nobody's mentioned "3 Women"

I mentioned it yesterday morning

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

And morbs mentioned that you mentioned it last night!

Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm gonna mention it again just in case: 3 women.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

"which doesn't mean it's immune from dysfunctional attitudes on gender!"
it ... sort of is! having no principles w/r/t making money means that the only barrier is the audience's willingness to pay for it.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean, mel gibson got his foreign-language torture movies made because enough people wanted to see it, jesus!

Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

"which doesn't mean it's immune from dysfunctional attitudes on gender!"
it ... sort of is! having no principles w/r/t making money means that the only barrier is the audience's willingness to pay for it.

― Philip Nunez, Friday, May 4, 2012 3:26 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but... i don't follow.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

What, is this a poll or a listing?

1. Aliens
2. Alien
3. Heathers

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

"but... i don't follow."
what i mean is that the sexism in hollywood that puts a glass ceiling on, say, a woman wanting to become a director or producer wouldn't stop a movie with two or more female characters talking about stuff getting made, provided it could make a lot of money.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 21:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

You're assuming that hollywood has a crystal ball that shows it what people want - the evidence here is shaky to say the least.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 May 2012 22:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's not so much a crystal ball as simply thinking "people like Julia Roberts/Cameron Diaz/Kate Hudson/Anne Hathaway etc., so let's develop stuff for them."

Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

the fact that hollywood doesn't have a crystal ball makes them that much more likely to embrace a non-sexist formula movie if one were shown to be highly profitable. like if elfquest starring naomi klein as capt. nologo made $200million, there'd be nothing but non-sexist, socially progressive elf movies forever.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

dare to dream

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

so where are all the Bridesmaids knockoffs btw

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

aren't there like 2 or 3 already in the pipeline?

Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

panic room

omar little, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

is carnival of souls too old to make the cutoff?

Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

no ones mentioned the travelling pants movies fyi

johnny crunch, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

havent seen them but the protagonists are female pants i hear

johnny crunch, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

so where are all the Bridesmaids knockoffs btw

Bridesmaids was retrograde and shallow too so no worries

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

But it had an Irish leading male!

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 5 May 2012 00:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's not so much a crystal ball as simply thinking "people like Julia Roberts/Cameron Diaz/Kate Hudson/Anne Hathaway etc., so let's develop stuff for them."

Not so much, seemingly: http://jezebel.com/5907744/the-truth-about-women-and-hollywood-these-actresses-theyre-fucked-good-luck-to-kate-and-reese

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Saturday, 5 May 2012 00:16 (1 year ago) Permalink


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