Spotify - anyone heard of it?

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i take the logic of spotify as being 'we should accept that people now expect music to be free and on-demand, and making it not so will actually make them less likely to go and buy records by artists they enjoy, or to see them tour'

i'm not sure it's good logic

thomp, Friday, 4 May 2012 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I feel like the labels are more to blame here if they are letting Spotify use their music on economic terms that are not in their favor.

Moodles, Friday, 4 May 2012 15:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

"making something free will not stop people buying it" is slightly flawed logic imo

Keith pissed on my chips (onimo), Friday, 4 May 2012 15:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's something of a - > ??? - > PROFIT issue, yes

thomp, Friday, 4 May 2012 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Moodles OTM, if you feel Spotify isn't returning value, renegotiate your contract.

Mordy, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh dear
http://www.fellody.com/

matchmaking app for spotify. it supposedly matches up people in your area who have similar taste.

no thanks i dont want big hairy bearded spotify users contacting me! male or female

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 14 May 2012 05:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Don't be afraid of intimacy!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Bob Dylan has heard of it.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Because his stuff came and went and came back again?

Shakes-a-maxion (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, until tonight it'd been gone since I had Spotify...

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I always thought he was gone, so thanks for the tip. But brief glance at intranetz seems to say he came back in the beginning of February.

Shakes-a-maxion (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 May 2012 03:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah hadn't checked yet. One of the things that's hilarious is that not only are all his Columbia records on it -- so are all the budget three-packs and the like.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 17 May 2012 03:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Loving the great compilations on here...stuff that might cost $28 at Tower back in the day.

โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Bulgarian Tourist Chamber (Mount Cleaners), Saturday, 19 May 2012 22:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh dear
http://www.fellody.com/

matchmaking app for spotify. it supposedly matches up people in your area who have similar taste.

no thanks i dont want big hairy bearded spotify users contacting me! male or female

Fellody bills itself as a means for finding people to meet up with for concerts, not merely a dating app. That actually would be quite useful for people like me who find themselves frequently going to live performances alone because my eclectic musical tastes dictate a low likelihood of having friends who want to see a band they've never heard of (or don't like).

This must be an issue for lots of us. If you want to see a live show by an obscure band that your spouse/friends/others don't want to pay to see, do you call around (or look online) for someone to go with, or do you just go alone? If the former, what means do you use to find someone? Online forums? Facebook et al.? Music websites? Blogs? Send a group text to your friends?

Lee626, Saturday, 19 May 2012 23:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Obvious answer: go alone.

Ian Hunter Is Learning the Game (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 May 2012 11:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

go with a stranger to stand next to a bunch of strangers? what's the point?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 21 May 2012 09:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

stranger things have happened

Djibril Citté (onimo), Monday, 21 May 2012 09:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

a stranger is just a friend you haven't met yet... (sorry)

anyway, last.fm does something similar over here - will list people attending events and even recommend people from your friends who might like to attend based on their playlists.

koogs, Monday, 21 May 2012 10:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

go with a stranger to stand next to a bunch of strangers? what's the point?

point is they don't stay strangers for long, and I have someone to talk with about a shared musical interest before and after the show.

i've never been a good loner, but i do often go to concerts alone and have learned over the years to like it. If I go with friends, I wind up talking with my friends, but if I go alone, I strike up or join conversations with anyone that seems interesting and meet new people (tactfully of course - I do realize not everyone is up for gab). Striking up conversations is especially easy since we start out with at least one obvious common interest.

Lee971 (Lee626), Monday, 21 May 2012 10:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Going for a four billion evaluation.

bailiwick bill (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 May 2012 15:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

So Spotify has launched in Australia and New Zealand...

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 21 May 2012 22:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

how does Rdio compare?

Moodles, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is there a way for me to use this that doesn't involve me broadcasting what I'm listening to on Facebook?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, you can turn that off.

timellison, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rdio seems to basically Spotify but running in the browser instead of its own app (there's also a mobile app apparently that you get with your 9.99/month sub)

In the UK at least Rdio pretty much sucks. You're rpesented with a big homepage of music, 2/3 of which is greyed out because not available here. I can understand not having the rights, but if you can figure out that you don't have the rights, why can't you figure out not to display the music?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 11:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

[Originally posted this in wrong thread...]

In Australia: Well fuck, was all prepped to hate Spotify, and have no FB acct, but made a fake one and am already hooked, looking a better PC speakers

seven league bootie (James Morrison), Thursday, 24 May 2012 06:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rdio seems to basically Spotify but running in the browser instead of its own app

yep I think that is the main difference. I know some people who use it over Spotify for that reason (i.e. can't install the Spotify software on a work computer but can open a browser and listen to Rdio no problem)

dmr, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is there a way for me to use this that doesn't involve me broadcasting what I'm listening to on Facebook?

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, May 21, 2012 8:49 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark

if you're using the same version as me, go to the File menu and click 'Private Session' -- of course you have to do this every single time you turn on Spotify/your computer, or else it just defaults to public mode. i hate it too, and always forget to make it private until someone leaves an obnoxious comment about what i'm listening to on FB.

some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Huh, in mine I can just go to preferences and uncheck "Show what I listen to on Facebook" and it stays like that forever.

hot slag (lukas), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

if you feel Spotify isn't returning value, renegotiate your contract

seems like a lot of labels have done this, some of the ones I lamented disappearing upthread are back (rvng, sacred bones)

still no drag city though

dmr, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

can't you just remove the Spotify app from your Facebook account?

Moodles, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

i wish tzadik would come back. i'd pay probably double the amount for the tzadik catalog

Mordy, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Huh, in mine I can just go to preferences and uncheck "Show what I listen to on Facebook" and it stays like that forever.

― hot slag (lukas), Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:36 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

oh dag, hadn't even thoguht of that -- my spotify preferences menu only has something that says "Share my activity on Spotify Social," no mention of Facebook though

some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

what about doing this?

In Facebook, open the menu on the top right corner of the screen.

Choose Account Settings

Choose Apps from the menu on the left side of the screen

Remove Spotify.

Moodles, Thursday, 24 May 2012 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh sweet, thanks dude

some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

can't share tracks with your friends that way tho

jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm a spotify user but i just looked at rdio and it actually looks like something that might be worth looking into a bit more

markers, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

the fact that i can use it from a browser is p nice

markers, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

i really try to avoid desktop software

markers, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

and good music

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

hahaha

markers, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

can't share tracks with your friends that way tho

― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:15 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

well, i don't share tracks w/ people on facebook, or do anything at all w/ my facebook account really -- a lot of my annoyance was that 'x is listening to x on spotify' had become the sum total of my facebook activity

some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

apparently my wife was listening to the vines a lot last week. i assured her that there would never be an artist she'd listen to on spotify that i'd be too embarrassed to have show up on my fb, but this one def challenged that assertion.

Mordy, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

My Facebook friends probably think I listen to a ton of The Doors and Adam Ant due to my wife's time on Spotify

Moodles, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2012/120524rdio

Rdio Proposes an Insulting 'Artist Compensation Plan'...
Thursday, May 24, 2012
by paul

The problem is that artists are feeling slighted by streaming services, especially as major labels, fans, and investors reap the enormous benefits. Which plants the seeds for bigger content problems ahead.

Is this the solution? According to details reported by Billboard this morning, Rdio is proposing an 'artist compensation plan' that is essentially a modified referral program. So, if an artist refers a new subscriber, that artist receives $10 directly from Rdio, while other royalty payment structures remain the same. "Payments that would not be sent through record labels' accounting systems could be large enough to spur artists to take part in the program," the report states. "'The goal is to effectively match the economics of what an album sales would be,' says the source within Rdio."

Which basically means Rdio is saying the following to artists:

(1) Bring us a subscriber with a lifetime value that probably exceeds $120, and we'll pay you $10.

(2) We'll do you a favor: we won't pay this bounty through your record label.

(3) All other payments - ie, paltry royalties on your music - will remain the same.

(4) We get to say, 'we're more artist friendly than Spotify!'

Rdio did not respond to an inquiry for this article.

dmr, Thursday, 24 May 2012 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

(1) Bring us a subscriber with a lifetime value that probably exceeds $120, and we'll pay you $10.

How does one dollar in twelve compare to what an artist gets from a label for selling a $12 album?

the dumbest fuck to have ever existed (onimo), Friday, 25 May 2012 06:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh wait that'll be Rdio subscriber rather than artist subscriber. So if your album listener is already a subscriber some other artist already got your $10.

the dumbest fuck to have ever existed (onimo), Friday, 25 May 2012 06:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2012/05/31/spotify-transparency/

In Singapore, I interviewed Ken Parks, majordomo of Spotify’s U.S. operation. I told him I would ask tough questions. That I had to, everybody already thinks I’m on the Spotify payroll, I just couldn’t let him do a commercial. He said this was all cool.

And then didn’t answer a single question I had, certainly not any that probed into the inner workings of the service. Not that I was interrogating him. But why exactly did you have to sign in with Facebook? Ken said everybody liked that, he got no complaints. He did admit that search was flawed. But I still can’t understand why it works so well in iTunes and so poorly in Spotify.

...

But at the end of my "interview", Peter Jenner, original manager of Pink Floyd, thinker extraordinaire, stood and asked why there was no Spotify transparency, why artists could not see what they were getting paid.

Ken gave the usual response. That Spotify paid record companies and these entities accounted to artists, and if something got lost in translation, it was not Spotify’s fault.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 31 May 2012 13:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Spotify has been releasing some really shitty updates to it's iOS app. I get so fucking tired of companies using the general population as goddamned beta testers.

Jeff, Thursday, 31 May 2012 14:04 (2 years ago) Permalink


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