I'm getting one
― cozwn, Thursday, 15 January 2009 02:24 (7 years ago) Permalink
me too, on m4ryhi11 road end.
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 02:26 (7 years ago) Permalink
Yay new thread!
Doctor Casino, though you are a medical man with a gambling problem so far as I can tell from login name, I do like your flickr. It has been very good recently.
Jencks's Language of Post-Modern Architecture
Which edition is the better one to start with? Is this book the same one under a different name?
I like the Bloomframe! I think it could be a real boon to new apartments. I loathe buildings like the blocky ones upthread. They are just grotesque monoliths hammering the pedestrian down with sheer BLOCK COLOURS. Just awful.
I'm glad so many designers are doing these weird 3D circulation intensive tiny houses/follies, but I'd sure like to see some upholstery in them or at least first aid kits for the inevitable bloody heads.
― hyggeligt, Thursday, 15 January 2009 10:30 (7 years ago) Permalink
looking at going on a solo field trip in march. probably europe. have been thinking of istanbul but that's just because I'd like to go there. where would you go? for like six days or so. money is an object but where would you go?
― conrad, Thursday, 15 January 2009 13:38 (7 years ago) Permalink
Where to begin! I've only really done Western Europe (no further east than Vienna) and with huge swaths of untouched territory in there. My gut says you kind of can't screw it up in terms of travel, life experience, food, all that kind of stuff - are you trying to see the maximum amount of architecture possible or just have a great trip where you also see some fab buildings?
hyggeligt - thanks! It'll be dormant again for a while, I am now entering my last studio at school and am busy, plus obviously not traveling.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:05 (7 years ago) Permalink
re: That 2002 Jencks - it certainly SOUNDS like a revised edition of the original - Now rewritten and with two new chapters, the seventh edition brings the history up to date with the latest twists in the narrative, and the turn to a new complexity in architecture. Rewritten with new chapters didn't really serve the previous editions all that well - just started to feel aimless and tacked-on-to. But enough time had passed that I could imagine the 2002 volume being interesting, and I appreciate anything that calls out and explores the fundamentally postmodern qualities of 90s computer projects (Greg Lynn et al). Dunno... haven't read the new bits so I dunno if it's worth it or not.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:08 (7 years ago) Permalink
Is okay, jealousy at fancy locations was eating in to my soul anyway. Could do with the spiritual break! (xpost)
Thanks for that Dr Cas, will chance it and see when I'm flush.
― hyggeligt, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:10 (7 years ago) Permalink
I should have said - have been to budapest, vienna, brno, prague, zurich, basel, madrid, barcelona, rome, florence, naples, berlin, munich, paris, krakow, amsterdam, rotterdam, brussels and others and places in between like leon in spain and vals in switzerland etc. and some UK stuff (I'm in scotland)
so, having never been up to copenhagen/oslo/stockholm/gothenberg/helsinki/tallinn/riga...I'm interested but don't have a ready idea of what's the best destination. not limited to europe other than in terms of the money issue
was looking at v cheap flights to oslo but hostels there seem on the expensive side. cheap flights and accommodation for gdansk but...I don't know if there's that much to see and can't seem to find good info
great trip w/ fab buildings would be fine but as much architecture as poss would be more justifiable in a way
― conrad, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:33 (7 years ago) Permalink
that's a lot of places. are you in glasgow?
i hear Lisbon is lovely (and cheap on easyjet)
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:36 (7 years ago) Permalink
what about croatia? supposed to be gorgeous.
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:39 (7 years ago) Permalink
in glasgow yes (I mentioned conrad to you at a party on new years morning but it was early and late so I don't blame you for forgetting!)
had thought about lisbon and about porto too but was looking for something direct hoping to minimise cost and travel time
I should have found a better thread to ask this stuff as I obviously haven't been thinking about enough architects
― conrad, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:56 (7 years ago) Permalink
I love the Bloomframe and I would sit in a Panton chair in it.
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:59 (7 years ago) Permalink
ah yes, i remember conrad.
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 15:02 (7 years ago) Permalink
venice yeah, go there. march is a good time to go, i think. i want to go back because i was only there for a day and a half but i loved it.
marseille i remember being quite rough but it's good to go and see the unité.
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 15:06 (7 years ago) Permalink
I would say Copenhagen is well worth the visit!
― hyggeligt, Thursday, 15 January 2009 15:07 (7 years ago) Permalink
Copenhagen is rich with stuff - see the Flickr stream and sets of user seier_seier_seier. Really interested in going myself. Here's an email seier wrote me when I was considering a trip:
difficult question, copenhagen in two days...
copenhagen is pretty expensive (as is the rest of scandinavia) especially when coming from the u.s., so I'll recommend you a youth hostel which opened recently in a central office tower (not a tower by american standards, but by danish...you'll see).
the same site mentions an even more central hostel opening in april. might be worth checking out:
helsinki and stockholm has some OK hostels too, I would look for the hostel in the olympic stadium in helsinki and the hostel on an old boat in stockholm, if I were you.
stockholm, btw, is my favourite city in scandinavia - it is beautiful, has great nature, landscape, architecture, and wom...its a nice place.
now, what to see....if the weather is good, I would go for places rather than buildings, in bad weather (of which we have plenty) vice versa...
places to see would be:
strandvejen north of copenhagen, the coastal road leading through the well off suburbs to the north, great on a summers day, will take you past lots of fine sites, including good buildings like arne jacobsen in klampenborg:
and utzon's related housing projects in fredensborg and elsinore:
there is a fine renaissance castle in elsinore which inspired shakespeare a few years ago...can't miss it.
the louisiana museum of modern art in humlebæk is a hugely influential building from the fifties, taking the formal out of the museum and putting in nature instead. lots of contemporary architects has named this building as an inspiration, including nouvel, foster and herzog + de meuron.
oh, hang on, from elsinore the thing to do would be to take the ferry to sweden (30 minutes) and drive to klippan to see the lewerentz church
now, that's a whole day in a rented car, so maybe you'll prefer to stay in the city...
there's christiania free town, www.flickr.com/photos/seier/1244185274/in/set-72157603843053592/, a good place to see in the evening, food and bars and a very different street scene.
should the sun shine, the island of amager, formerly known as the ass hole of copenhagen, is seeing some very interesting change these years...on a sunny afternoon, former working class and industrial neighbourhood "islands brygge" is full of young copenhageners sunbathing and swimming in the habour. it is really lively and some of the gir...MVRDV has one of their best buildings nearby:
further east, on the amager coast facing sweden, is another interesting industrial area undergoing radical change. surrounded by large scale infrastructure like a wind mill park, the airport and the bridge to sweden is a new beach, a huge piece of landscaping very popular with the locals already.
and there's the old town, of course, lots of cafés and shops and the odd arne jacobsen building...
if you are just going for the buildings, I would not miss:
- the foyer of the national bank, arne jacobsen 1961-1978. central copenhagen.- bagsværd church, utzon. 20 minutes by train from copenhagen.- klippan church, klippan, sweden. about 2 hours by train, I think.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:30 (7 years ago) Permalink
thanks for that - going to weigh up copenhagen further but it would involve two flights. venice seems like the right choice for a lot of reasons and might be possible w/ some juggling but oslo currently £11 return for four nights is going to be hard to beat even though a cheap hostel has yet to make itself known
― conrad, Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:51 (7 years ago) Permalink
Very true. Try and end up at Ordrupgaard. Recently reopened with new wing. Bakken in the Dyrhaven nearby is trippy and good fun (I also think it might be the world's oldest fairground, I spent far too much time there growing up as it was free in unlike Tivoli).
Merely a legend alas. The crown jewels are there so well worth a look.
Yes. Avoid visiting if there's a rehang because the permanent collection isn't huge for the trip involved. Another good gallery is the Glyptotek near Radhuspladset. Carlsberg money built and filled it. Lovely stuff.
Sadly not any more. They've closed down the drug stalls on pusher street and basically developers are moving in. Very sad now. I was there recently and was followed by four police officers. I am obviously sketchy looking.
A harbour tour is also a good idea. That way you get to see the Black Diamon of the royal library from the water and get closer to the new opera house. Rosenborg slot is a baroque palace in the centre of town near Norreport. It was one of Christian IV's vanity projects and well worth seeing.
Check his shots of Venice for more inspiration Conrad. Again, thanks to Doctor Casino I have been following for the past few months. It is a great stream!
― hyggeligt, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:40 (7 years ago) Permalink
I have some Venice and surroundings here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/doctorcasino/sets/72157601373054872/
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:17 (7 years ago) Permalink
this is my favorite thing in the world at the moment:
by Levitate Architects
― jed_, Friday, 16 January 2009 14:58 (7 years ago) Permalink
haha I thought that first shot was an elevation and was like "whaaaaaaat?"
That design is a really fantastic thing.
― Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Friday, 16 January 2009 15:02 (7 years ago) Permalink
haha, did the same thing!
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 January 2009 15:09 (7 years ago) Permalink
that stairbookcase is insanely beautiful: the top image reminds me of this mad dream i used to have as a child about a rabbit-warren library with walls made of earth ane books.
― king lame (c sharp major), Friday, 16 January 2009 15:32 (7 years ago) Permalink
i posted that stairbookcase to the What do your books look like? thread on ILB and stet said:
That looks great, but is functionally crap: you'll kick dirt into the books as you climb, and the ones at eye level are furthest from your eyes.
which kinda boggled me.
― jed_, Friday, 16 January 2009 15:43 (7 years ago) Permalink
well yeah but it's more of a limited space solution than it is a most perfectly accessible behind glass eye level book collection solution.
― Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Friday, 16 January 2009 15:58 (7 years ago) Permalink
dezeen maybe needs to work on the color balance for those video interviews they're doing - ross lovegrove looks like a DEMON! I was going to post the pic here but it's actually too frightening so I'll link instead.
― Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Friday, 16 January 2009 16:43 (7 years ago) Permalink
ross lovegrove IS a demon. did you watch the Aranda\Lasch one? fancy themselves a bit, don't they?
― jed_, Friday, 16 January 2009 16:48 (7 years ago) Permalink
I just watched it - my gosh I hate it when designers think they're doing something scientific when they're just aping the aesthetics of science.
― Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Friday, 16 January 2009 17:01 (7 years ago) Permalink
well exactly. so they do some actually quite beautiful faceted tiles etc. that's good enough! the introduction where one of them keeps reiterating how serious they are actually made me feel quite depressed.
― jed_, Friday, 16 January 2009 17:07 (7 years ago) Permalink
I would be so supportive of them if they said "We like triangles and crystals because they are pretty! We make very expensive things that kind of look like them."
― Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Friday, 16 January 2009 17:11 (7 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, the thing is in twenty or thirty years it'll be quite clear that some designers were aggressively interrogating the possibilities of new materials and computer-aided-manufacturing, and others were picking up on the look...but while the former MAY end up more valorized, it's the pretty-looking stuff (from either camp) that will rack up big prices at vintage stores.
Thinking specifically of midcentury furniture here - some of it was made by material geeks trying to figure out how to do things that were never possible before, and some of it was made by people who thought outer space was super neat, but all of it's kind of great.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 January 2009 17:16 (7 years ago) Permalink
i couldn't actually work out whether they were trying to take the piss by going on about how serious they were? or do they just have zero sense of humour?
― jed_, Friday, 16 January 2009 17:17 (7 years ago) Permalink
also, i still don't get the Bloomframe exactly - why not just...have a balcony?
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 January 2009 17:17 (7 years ago) Permalink
I think they were taking the piss, but trying to be funny by talking about how serious you are only works if you're funny.
― Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Friday, 16 January 2009 17:20 (7 years ago) Permalink
i just see it as another way to have a balcony. it's neat and clever and seductive!
― jed_, Friday, 16 January 2009 17:20 (7 years ago) Permalink
Well yeah, transforming stuff is kind of guaranteed to be cool in my book.... but would you ever actually have it in the closed-up position?
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 January 2009 17:27 (7 years ago) Permalink
I guess it depends on climate really..
if you were in glasgow the question would be - would you ever actually have it in the open position?
― jed_, Friday, 16 January 2009 17:29 (7 years ago) Permalink
No, the question would be - why do you actually live in Glasgow? Ba-dum-CH!
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 January 2009 17:33 (7 years ago) Permalink
i'd laugh at that if i didn't take myself so seriously.
― jed_, Friday, 16 January 2009 17:34 (7 years ago) Permalink
I beg your pardon; I know next to nothing about Glasgow and am just free-zinging.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 January 2009 18:01 (7 years ago) Permalink
― jed_, Friday, 16 January 2009 18:17 (7 years ago) Permalink
ok were the designers of Jenga paid off for this
― roxymuzak, Friday, 16 January 2009 22:01 (7 years ago) Permalink
also, "free-zinging"! cute.
― roxymuzak, Friday, 16 January 2009 22:02 (7 years ago) Permalink
I blogged about Michael Graves :/http://theskyscraperblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/something-about-hating-michael-graves.html
― roxymuzak, Saturday, 17 January 2009 04:18 (7 years ago) Permalink
Great Blog Name!
― mehlt, Saturday, 17 January 2009 05:39 (7 years ago) Permalink
― roxymuzak, Saturday, 17 January 2009 21:20 (7 years ago) Permalink
hi, what's happening in architecture? has spaceinvading replaced our lovely thread?
― jed_, Thursday, 29 January 2009 11:28 (7 years ago) Permalink
And I guess things have got worse since then. Mentions Newhall in Essex, which has some quite interesting smaller houses.
― The Unbelievably Insensitive Baroness Vadera (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 29 January 2009 11:42 (7 years ago) Permalink
Reversible Destiny Housing by Arakawa and Madeline Gins
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 29 January 2009 13:36 (7 years ago) Permalink