DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

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first election night i can remember where i cdn't even be fucked to stay up and watch results

like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 May 2012 07:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

So the Tories get a massive kicking and attribute it to being "not right-wing enough"... uh huh

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Friday, 4 May 2012 09:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Might help them shore up their core support. Internal dissent is probably going off the scale at the moment.

It'll be interesting to see how they square that with Boris' inevitable victory in London though.

Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Friday, 4 May 2012 09:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

so basically they're saying "we need to be more racist"

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Friday, 4 May 2012 09:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cameron's only tolerated by the Tory rump because he's popular and successful. If he stops being popular and successful, and starts losing safe Conservative seats, he has to throw a few bones to the crazy old people who actually make up the bulk of the party. It's going to make them more unpopular with everyone else, which is a good thing.

At the same time, while Cameron's driving to the right, Boris will hold on to a major prize by being a centrist, dividing the traditionalists and reformers even more. It's a recipe for complete disarray.

Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Friday, 4 May 2012 10:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Tories are *eating* David Cameron...

Mark G, Friday, 4 May 2012 10:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

I presume at LibDem HQ they're having a whip-round to buy a Waterstone's voucher for their one remaining voter

DG, Friday, 4 May 2012 11:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

1231: In one Edinburgh ward a Lib Dem candidate has failed to pick up more first preference votes than Professor Pongoo, an independent candidate who dresses in a six-foot penguin costume. And with nine of 58 seats declared in the city, it is clear the Lib Dem vote is down overall.

sktsh, Friday, 4 May 2012 11:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

i <3 penguins and might well vote for one over any candidate

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 4 May 2012 11:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yes but you hate comedy and some sub-Raving Loony guy in a bird suit surely qualifies as "comedy".

Keith pissed on my chips (onimo), Friday, 4 May 2012 11:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh no i didn't mean him, i meant if an actual real penguin was a candidate

it is really tough to be better than a penguin

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 4 May 2012 12:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Keith pissed on my chips (onimo), Friday, 4 May 2012 12:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

but then that penguin venturing out into nowhere in 'Encounters at the End of the World' is a pretty good Lib Dems analogy.

danny houellebecq (Merdeyeux), Friday, 4 May 2012 12:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

is professor pongoo a real professor though?

Rosie 47 (ken c), Friday, 4 May 2012 15:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

also has anybody stood for Lemon Party yet?

Rosie 47 (ken c), Friday, 4 May 2012 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

"More on the news that UKIP's candidate for Mayor of London, Lawrence Webb, was mistakenly listed on the ballot paper as Fresh Choice for London. It should have read "UKIP: A Fresh Choice for London". A "furious" Nigel Farage has admitted that the fault was at UKIP's end - they forgot to put their party name on the nomination paper."

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 4 May 2012 15:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

might get more voters without the UKIP name?

Rosie 47 (ken c), Friday, 4 May 2012 15:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Disappointed they didn't accidentally put "A French Choice For London". That'd really have wound them up.

Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Friday, 4 May 2012 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

All the literature I'd had through the door had Fresh Choice For London on it, not UKIP, I even laughed that it was a stupid idea because their voters wouldn't be able to find who to vote for, so it's not like the dozy twats didn't have time to notice it before now.

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

:-) xp

Pacific Trash Vortex (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ed Millibong

Keith pissed on my chips (onimo), Monday, 7 May 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

VG

jed_, Monday, 7 May 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

The "previous comment" she made was even worse ("if you don't like it go back to where you came from") to someone with an Asian name.

Alba, Monday, 7 May 2012 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

i saw that comment alluded to but not actually quoted in the news story - disgusting.

Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Monday, 7 May 2012 19:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

ah c'mon kids some of ilx's most hardcore socialist's are repping for these oh hang on

like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 May 2012 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw i'm not sure i've been sarcastic enough i hope you cunts die cheers

like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 May 2012 22:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

cant believe some poujadist fuckheid from bournemouth expressed reactionary views on twitter

nakhchivan, Monday, 7 May 2012 22:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/may/25/michael-gove-jewish-exam-question

yes because to explain is to understand is to sympathise is to approve of. fuck this ignoramus, this intellectual maggot.

sorry. old story. been away.

the fey monster (ledge), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 10:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

question cd probly be worded less o_Oly

korea opportunities (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 10:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm sure it's pretty clear in the context of the syllabus. i find the kneejerk reaction of horror against "understanding" any kind of transgression, of any suggestion of an alternative to blind condemnation and punishment even more o_O tbh.

the fey monster (ledge), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 10:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

not defending the responses but i know from my own experience of things that our Joel tells me that the RE syllabus is often worded quite tendentiously. at GCSE level accounting for a prejudice is not really the same as dissecting it

korea opportunities (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 10:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

like yes don't pretend anti-semitism doesn't exist but "list the greatest hits of anti-semitism" is a bit weird as a question in that context

korea opportunities (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 10:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

The question “plants suggestions and implies ideas that shouldn’t be instilled into students”.

honestly i just despair at this garden-of-eden knowledge is sinful bullshit.

the fey monster (ledge), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 11:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was a rabbi not gove btw.

the fey monster (ledge), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 11:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Front page of the BBC site today = u-turn on charity tax, Jeremy Hunt at Leveson, Coulson charged with perjury = such a pleasing structure of interconnected disasters.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Thursday, 31 May 2012 12:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

With all the other hateful stuff they're doing, the government's approach to immigration hasn't really been scrutinised enough recently. Along with demolishing the student visa sector, this has to go down as one of the most stupidly spiteful things on their agenda:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/08/immigration-rules-couples-stark-choice?CMP=twt_gu

Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Saturday, 9 June 2012 13:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jun/11/david-cameron-daughter-behind-pub?newsfeed=true

hopefully the government will introduce compulsory parenting classes for these sort of dysfunctional wastrels

'Last Moments Robot' Comforts You To Death (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 June 2012 11:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Didn't see that immigration thing before, that is absolutely hateful. Presumably it would fall afoul o the same "right to family life" clause of the human rights act that the Tories are trying to dismantle so they can deport foreign lag once they have done their time.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 11 June 2012 13:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sadly, it appears that it doesn't fall foul of the right to family life clause - it's something that was tested when they introduced the English-language requirements to get married.

I wonder if it could be interpreted as discriminatory on gender though, given the disparity in average salary between the sexes.

Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Monday, 11 June 2012 13:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Vote Liberal Democrat

Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 11 June 2012 13:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

the immigration thing is one of those things you can't quite believe can actually happen - it almost reads like DON'T MARRY OUTSIDE OF YOUR NATION.

kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Monday, 11 June 2012 13:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

(UNLESS YOU'RE RICH)

kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Monday, 11 June 2012 13:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Poor people, don't you dare fall in love until you can afford it. I doubt this will ever become law.

Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 11 June 2012 13:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

it does seem like more of a headline-grabber than a well-thought-through plan: a coded message to Express readers, that the government's looking out for them by targeting those much-discussed immigrants from the subcontinent who bring their whole families here and live off the state and don't even bother to learn the language and etc etc etc, even though in actual fact migrants to the UK aren't eligible for benefits.

otoh, brooke magnanti made an interesting point about it here

The key to what these proposals really mean is in the election pledge: Cameron promised to reduce net migration. That's not the number of migrants total, that's the difference between migrants arriving and British citizens leaving. Sorry to break it to those who think the country is "packed full" or "under siege": the government is not interested in decreasing migration per se. They'd be as happy if immigration increased, as long as loads of Britons left. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Mail readers.

Attacking the family route is the easiest way to do this. If a married couple cannot settle, not only has a migrant left, so has a UK citizen. This gets net migration down twice as fast as controlling other visas. The approach is crafted to appear successful to the rightwing without producing meaningful change for anyone.

dethklok piccalo (c sharp major), Monday, 11 June 2012 14:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

If this law existed when I met my wife, we wouldn't have been able to live here. tbh, kinda ambivalent about that.

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Monday, 11 June 2012 15:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can't find the stats now but if I remember a significant number of people coming into the UK were coming to attend a UK university. They obviously pay full fees and aren't allowed to work more than 20 hrs or claim any bens. Stopping these 'study tourists' doesn't make any sense to me.

mmmm, Monday, 11 June 2012 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

the problem was that people were coming in on tier 4 student visas and then... not actually studying, and working illegally. Sometimes people used forged college letters, sometimes the 'colleges' they were enrolled in were taking their student fees but not requiring attendance: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/27/student-visa-failing-50000-immigration

oddly tho the govt's response to this seems not to be "closer checks on educational institutions, e.g. requiring attendance records, etc" but "reduce the number of tier 4 visas available anywhere"

dethklok piccalo (c sharp major), Monday, 11 June 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's their MO across the board, isn't it - "oh there are people committing welfare fraud, well, instead of closing the loopholes let's CLOSE DOWN THE WELFARE SYSTEM"

kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Monday, 11 June 2012 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, making the system work effectively would require that they train, employ and pay people to do a not-insignificant amount of work? and that's tantamount to encouraging red tape bureaucracy.

dethklok piccalo (c sharp major), Monday, 11 June 2012 16:16 (2 years ago) Permalink


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