Sarko vs. Royal, Don't Read if You Don't Give A Phoque About French Presidential Politics

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Also iatee, i'd have said it's over from the day following the first round results. Ever since then all the polls show Hollande winning. Every redistribution of the 1st round votes between the candidates, with the smallest possible going to Hollande still had him winning. Its only in the past couple of days that his lead has shrunk a a tiny bit, potentially because people kept hearing that Hollande was sure to win which made some change their vote.

Jibe, Friday, 4 May 2012 07:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

If I were Hollande, I would be focusing all my energy hating on Sarko too. That has to be the easiest and best way to win votes, no?

Anyway, Hollande is going to smash it. Considering that Sarko is so desperate in that he's reduced to trying to win over Le Pen's supporters with hilariously pathetic soundbites.

No Repayment, No Pinterest (King Boy Pato), Friday, 4 May 2012 10:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also iatee, i'd have said it's over from the day following the first round results. Ever since then all the polls show Hollande winning. Every redistribution of the 1st round votes between the candidates, with the smallest possible going to Hollande still had him winning. Its only in the past couple of days that his lead has shrunk a a tiny bit, potentially because people kept hearing that Hollande was sure to win which made some change their vote.

yeah it's almost bizarre how consistent the polls have been, you don't really see that in american politics. I think there is less risk for some shocking result due to voter turnout disparities because almost everyone votes.

iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 13:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyway rip sarko your wife was pretty and I kinda dug the grand paris project

iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 13:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

changing his opponent's words so as to make it sound like his opponent is a fool,

I loved when Sarko chastised the Socialists for being behind DSK and Hollande said that they hadn't appointed him to the IMF.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Friday, 4 May 2012 13:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

I have always been committed to European integration and it's sad that it's become the bugbear of French politics. There was nary a real reformer among the candidates except perhaps the tepid Bayrou and the numbers behind Le Pen and Melanchon are proof of a certain tradition of delusion among French voters.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Friday, 4 May 2012 14:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't think it's particular to france tho...that element exists throughout europe

iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

Even Italy which has a tendency to be as ridiculous as possible has the Monti govmt.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Friday, 4 May 2012 14:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

the problem with european integration is also that it has become a scapegoat for most politicians. if something doesn't seem to be working well, there's a 90% chance they'll lay the blame on european legislation. and when most of the things you hear about europe are about how its ruinng stuff, well then you're far less likely to actively root for it. as for bayrou i feel kind of bad for the guy. he's seriously probably the only candidate who offered reasoned, well-thought through solutions to tackle the economic crisis, yet no one really cares about him.

tbh i feel like a lot about politics in france is being influenced by shows like les guignols de l'info. i'd be curious to know if the flamby nickname that stuck to hollande came from that show for example (flamby is a flan-like dessert). that show also ruined bayrou's credibility a long time ago with the bus du colza and other stuff. i'd really love to read an informed study on that topic.

Jibe, Saturday, 5 May 2012 15:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

hollande beats sarkozy, as expected. however he does so without handing sarkozy the beating that was talked about. 51.7% of the votes for him.

Jibe, Monday, 7 May 2012 03:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

over 70% turnout is really impressive in the context of...everywhere else in western europe. is this par for the course in france?

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 7 May 2012 08:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

The first round was over 80%, i think. Lower than 2007, though.

Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Monday, 7 May 2012 09:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'd be curious to know if the flamby nickname that stuck to hollande came from that show for example (flamby is a flan-like dessert)

flamby en flambé!

(annoyingly i don't think the expression "on fire" translates the same in french, and i have a suspicion "en flambé" isn't accurate anyway)

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 7 May 2012 09:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

the turnout is not particularly exceptional for a presidential election, as its been over 70% most of the time. for other elections i'm pretty sure the turnout is just as bad as it is elsewhere

xpost : not sure what you're trying to say with en flambé there so i'm gonna say you're right to be suspicious there

Jibe, Monday, 7 May 2012 09:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think he's trying to say that hollande is "on fire" i.e. "doing great"

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 May 2012 13:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

that's what i thought but felt like maybe he was talking about a new dessert, flamby flambé

Jibe, Monday, 7 May 2012 15:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'd be curious to know if the flamby nickname that stuck to hollande came from that show for example

It looks like it came from Jack Lang, though Montebourg has used it too.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Monday, 7 May 2012 17:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

i read somewhere that bruno gaccio (the guignols de l'info guy) used that name as a general comment on the PS but that he now regretted having made this a huge thing.

Jibe, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:04 (1 year ago) Permalink


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