an AWESOME bum on a raft
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
I doubt they'll show up this season, maybe next season
― Moodles, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, there's no need for them to show up this season –
― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess they figure that enough new characters have been dropped in and they want to roll out the rest of the season without any major new additions. i am ok with that, as long as they do appear in s3.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
they need to arrive before theon gets there
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
The fact that they haven't been cast yet makes me wonder how the Bran storyline is going to pan out (ie what GRRM told the showrunners).
― gyac, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
But also I'm 99% certain the Reeds are the only living book characters that know the truth of Jon's parentage?
yah
― max, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
If I only watched the show I would guess that Jon's father was Hodor.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
i heard all the guys you like best r not going to be in the show
― lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
i see it
― gyac, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
― diamonddave85, Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
lmbo gyac.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Friday, 4 May 2012 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Srsly fed up with the "WEAR ARE JOJEN AND MEEERA" interwebs talk, even though I liked Meera in the books. Anyway, I think that Osha's going to be escorting Bran beyond the Wall, and someone else will take Rickon (I have a suspicion/hope that it's Maester Luwin).
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Friday, 4 May 2012 02:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
But yeah, heavy hints that Howland knows if R+L=J or not.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Friday, 4 May 2012 02:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think they're losing me
― Number None, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 00:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
i see they have jumped way ahead in daenerys's story to the part where it drags along tediously.
couple of great scenes in this one but was disappointing overall. some of the deviation from the books starting to feel gratuitous
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 01:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
damn they sure got rid of daenerys' khalasar or whatever just like that. so now, she truly has absolutely no one with her? also, when are we going to see her get her unsullied by unleashing the dragons? now would seem to be the right time since she has no army or anything to speak of, but then again when you see the size of her dragons they don't look like they could burn anyone. what a weak little flame dragon dude had. tbh daenerys' story was one of the least interesting in the books imo and they are making it even less appealing in the show.
― Jibe, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 03:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well, old man Whitebeard is going to show up, and she has Jorah?
Drogon is still small in the House of the Undying, they would have time to grow by the time they get to Astapor. He's still small enough to sit on her shoulder at that stage.
― gyac, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm pretty excited about her going into the House of the Undying! that was one of my favourite parts in the book!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm still slogging through book 4...
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
it gets much better through the last quarter, but fuck, it is sloggy.
― gyac, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
ok that is good to know - i am over half of the way through
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
Book 4 will seem much better once you have read book 5. They reflect each other's strengths. I kind of want to take my ebooks of books 4 and 5 and shuffle the chapters together cuz that's really how it should be read. (Or has someone already done that?)
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
I agree, I'm over the halfway point with ADWD and it's very true, especially once the timelines join up again.
I'm finding ADWD a much quicker read than AFFC, I'm only holding back cos I know there isn't going to be one to go onto.
I've also not found AFFC & ADWD as a bad as people say; I imagine not having to wait 11 years for them helps!
― gyac, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm pretty excited about her going into the House of the Undying!
If done well, it has the potential to be fantastic.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
i just can't imagine how it could be done well
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
claustrophobia-inducing hallways, smokey darkness, creepy ghosts, general foreboding
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
bloody walls, stench of death, etc
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
what a tv screen can do with that can only fall well short of what the imagination can, that is the problem. if they figure out how to film "general foreboding" they are in with a shot.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
have you ever seen a good horror movie
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
seriously! i think they can do it.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 11 May 2012 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
I hope we get Rhaegar
― gyac, Friday, 11 May 2012 19:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
yea! harp playing rhaegar hallucination would be awesome!
possibly related, has anyone rewatched episode 1 to see of mance rayder was actually at winterfell during the feast?
― diamonddave85, Friday, 11 May 2012 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
huh?
― Number None, Friday, 11 May 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
mance reveals that he was at the feast for king robert's arrival
― diamonddave85, Friday, 11 May 2012 21:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
but Mance hasn't appeared on the show
― Number None, Friday, 11 May 2012 21:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
no need to go back and check, mance simply hadnt been cast yet
― Hungry4Ass, Friday, 11 May 2012 22:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
and he doesn't turn up til ASOS anyway
― Number None, Friday, 11 May 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
would be a cool easter egg tho
― diamonddave85, Friday, 11 May 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
We're probably just getting the Black Lodge.
― Pot Leeedom (Leee), Saturday, 12 May 2012 06:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
So I think this episode came the closest yet to containing nothing actually from the book. Which is fine; obv it makes the show more suspenseful for longtime readers...
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Monday, 14 May 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
jon lewis otm. i spent a lot of the episode wondering if my memory had failed me that much that i remembered this all wrong.
however, does it bother any one else that in the tv show every one talks really openly about cersei & jamie fucking, especially these two. the scene where cersei opens up to tyrion felt really wrong to me. not only does she admit having had joffrey & kids with her brother, which in the books she only admits after a lot happens, she also uses that opportunity to say she has no control over joffrey and that she's afraid of him/regrets he's the new king and not tommen or myrcella (i'll admit i wasn't giving this scene my full attention cos my flatmate had questions so could be wrong on the whole not liking joffrey bit). in the books jamie & cersei sleeping together is more of a rumour that a few people actually know to be true, but that cersei & jamie actively deny, whereas here it seems like its common knowledge and hardly anyone gives a fuck. and cersei is completely blind when it comes to joffrey, basically giving him a free pass for any & everything, which is a strange contrast to how she sees him in the tv show.
― Jibe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 08:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Tyrion knows both in the books & show: in the book he even says "Who you lie with is no matter to me...although it doesn't seem quite just that you should open your legs for one brother and not the other" which seems rather more open than just talking about the kids. He also makes a few allusions to it in episode 1. The book can't really show you how widespread the rumours are but they are widespread, and the starving peasants in King's Landing are going to latch onto any unpleasant rumour going.
― gyac, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 12:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah tyrion knows about it (and i included him in the people who knew the rumour to be true). its just i found it kind of surprising to see how open cersei & jamie are about it when in the books it felt like they were no where near admitting it. in the books it felt like this burden that the two carried around without being able to say it because they knew other people would not look kindly upon it. here it's like " yeah i fucked my sister/brother, it was awesome! also, those kids come from this incestuous relationship, but hey u know, no biggie"
and, correct me if i'm wrong, the only time either one of them openly acknowledges it is when cersei gets captured by the septons? also yeah in the books the rumour is very widespread, i mean stannis putsup messages in every village in westeros talking about this !
tbh i guess it's a bit harder for the tv show to convey that message without having one of the two involved copping to having sex with his brother/sister. if anyone else says it i guess viewers could think that its just a rumour?
― Jibe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well Cersei iirc was all about keeping it secret but Jaime, not so much. He talks to Ilyn Payne about it a lot. Also, Kevan (their uncle) knows about it and refers to it.
The taboo is mostly because Cersei's the Queen & her kids are in the line of succession; the Targaryens had largely phased out of marrying their siblings and it is frowned upon. Daenerys's parents were siblings.
― gyac, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
here it's like " yeah i fucked my sister/brother, it was awesome! also, those kids come from this incestuous relationship, but hey u know, no biggie"
Cersei seemed pretty distraught at the idea that incest has caused Joffrey's incurable case of evil little shit-itis, I don't think it was nbd to her.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya guess so. i mean i still have some problems with the way this strays from those chars attitudes in the books, but there was no way things would be exactly the same. tbh this isn't really important, so dunno why i felt the need to write it out.
― Jibe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Y'all gotta remember, too, the book contains a shit-tonne of exposition via internal monologue, especially concerning Westeros history. The Arya-Tywin and Tyrion-Cersei conversations imo were a super-effective way of bringing the audience up-to-date re: the Targaryens, dragons.
Most changes/omissions have been improvements, as far as I'm concerned. The assassination of 11 of the 13 was some much needed drama in an otherwise uneventful Daenarys arc
― poxen, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah I like most of the changes too, don't get me wrong.
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:11 (1 year ago) Permalink