commercially disappointing major label rock/alternative albums of 1996

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yeah a LOT of these albums were the acts' first as an established brand and got their highest Billboard 200 peak, just didn't have staying power.

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pinkerton was a commercial disappointment at the time and seemed to attract some scatching reviews. I have no problem with the record at all, but it's amazing how far general opinion of the record seems to have swung so far in the other direction that folks seem to overrate it now more than anything.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

how much did ATUSB ship over Brutal Youth? I know the latter hit the top forty but it couldn't have been by much.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

and in the case of something like Load, which was following up the biggest-selling album of the SoundScan era, you can't really pretend a sales decrease wasn't inevitable, but just keeping albums like that on here for the sake of completism and to show the range of different kind of dropoffs that happened that year.

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's true that this is a matter of degrees. Razorblade Suitcase hit #1 and "Swallowed" and "Greedy Fly" got almost as much airplay as the SS singles but it's still considered a failure.

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, May 3, 2012 5:58 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Most things that Bush did were generally considered a failure in their home country ;)

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

Costello is on the lower end of the sales spectrum in this list and it's always harder to find firm numbers on those kinds of albums, but i still have a strong hunch it was bought maybe half as much, and in any even the singles were far less successful.

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha yes -- also known as A Flock of Seagullysm.

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Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

for comparison, acts who released their highest selling albums in 1996: Dave Matthews Band, Sublime, Marilyn Manson, Beck, Rage Against The Machine

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

between Spike and the Bacharach collab EC inhabited a strange interzone. I'm not sure who was buying his records besides me.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I remember the boxes and boxes full of unsold Hootie and Black Crowes CDs. The horror, the horror.

(so are we voting for the worst selling album here or the most overlooked or what?)

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

sorry, i should have clarified: vote for the best/your favorite or whatever

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

that black crowes album is where i jumped ship. it was awful. still adore the 1st 3.

i will stick up for that porno for pyros album too and the pearl jam album is their best.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

To offer a UK perspective: I think Jagged Little Pill, funnily enough, was one of the highest selling albums in 1996. Oasis' (What's The Story) Morning Glory? was released the previous year, but copies were still flying off the shelves throughout the year.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

but i had to vote 'Dust'

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah obv a lot of '95 albums reigned over '96 (Mellon Collie, Garbage, The Bends)

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol I reviewed the Soundgarden record for my college paper.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like it, but then diminishing returns of the Superunknown era is my idea of a good time

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

I still think there's some good stuff on Down On The Upside, although I've always felt the record should have been a lot shorter, with a few of the lesser tracks bumped off. Never been a fan of 'Applebite', for example.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Weezer's Green album and Make Believe did more than pretty well after Pinkerton, did they not.

Morrissey & Clunes: The Severed Alliance (PaulTMA), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

should probably be pinkerton but i voted for stone temple pilots, there were some good songs on that album

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think the CD-era largesse peaked around '96-'98 where seemingly every album being released was a few songs too long, but Soundgarden did 70-minute indulgence better than many

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah Weezer def had the best sales rebound of any of these bands, but obv they did the whole depressed hiatus thing first

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Amazing Disgrace has grown over the years into perhaps my favorite Posies album. I saw them on that tour and they were terrific, too. That album might be the closest one to bridging their live sound with their recorded sound.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol oh man do i remember this year

call all destroyer, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah Amazing Disgrace was the album that got me into the Posies and i have a huge sentimental attachment to it, even though it is definitely flawed and i probably consider Frosting a better album overall.

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

That's a pretty sad list. I still like the Soundgarden, Tori Amos, and Weezer albums, but New Adventures In Hi-Fi is one of my favorite REM albums so it's an easy choice.

Also, "Volcano" is awesome and probably my favorite PUSA single, but I'm pretty sure I've never heard the whole second album.

You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

for some reason either my brother or i bought the PUSA album. it's probably as good as the first, but, y'know, what does that even mean.

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Boy, Veruca Salt just missed this list by two months.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

a lot of 95/97 albums are in the same boat but i wanted to emphasize what a bloodbath '96 was in particular

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

my firs thoughts about this period were "Belly and Juliana Hatfield."

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Before I opened this thread I knew I was voting for black love

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

album sales in general didn't drop in '96 so i kinda wonder if there was some mass exodus to, like, rap and country among teenagers in that period or if the rock crowd just became really fractured post-Cobain and a thousand different indie bands siphoned off the fans of these 20 platinum acts

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

Was just listening last night to Three Snakes and One Charm and it's still my favorite Crowes album.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

my firs thoughts about this period were "Belly and Juliana Hatfield."

Fond of both of those albums.

You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

if ship had included '95, yes, King would have been my pick.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

good lord this list is mostly horrible. i have hopes for ilx managing not to vote for pinkerton, not that its bad, just that its what the rest of the internet would vote for and i am elitist scum

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I voted No Code, my favorite PJ album & one I have a lot of time for still.

Broken Arrow really seemed like one album too far. saw Neil live on that tour & was both rocked & shocked at how pointless it seemed.

Euler, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

jesus christ, WHIGS

former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

I recently burned a CD-R with "Universal Heartbeat" on it.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

i am voting for boys for pele? how did that happen

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

my firs thoughts about this period were "Belly and Juliana Hatfield."

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:42 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Heard songs from both of them today!

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh wow "Universal Heartbeat," now that's a song i haven't heard or even thought of in 10+ years

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

Before I opened this thread I knew I was voting for black love

mookieproof, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

Afghan Whigs were a band i always assumed i'd really dig but never got around to their albums until Spotify made it super convenient and uh...nah, don't really like them nearly as much as i thought i would.

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

^this

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah Amazing Disgrace was the album that got me into the Posies and i have a huge sentimental attachment to it, even though it is definitely flawed and i probably consider Frosting a better album overall.

i'm gonna vote whigs, but cosign - ken stringfellow wrote an incredibly detailed recording diary of amazing disgrace that's somehow still floating around the internet and makes it very clear how much thought went into that record (and/or how much money DGC was willing to blow on it)

scream blahula scream (govern yourself accordingly), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh sweet, thanks for the link!

it is kind of fun to hear about how much money was flushed away in the after glow of those 91-94 boom years.

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

some dude, would you have considered Bob Mould's eponymous record? A big disappointment after the Sugar records.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

afgan wigs in a heartbeat

btw didn't i braek ur heart (NickB), Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

There are a lot of people out there who really like Spacehog I gotta say, enough that I've always been sort of barely curious to dig beneath "In The Meantime" and "Mungo City." Although the memory of OG Pitchfork's scathing takedown of their Chinese Album or whatever it was called has always sort of put me off.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

balls, you probably remember athens band Boulevard - - - at one point they had a guitarist who was just ALL about the Spacehog dude, who I want to call...Royston? Royston Sinclair?

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

barring a couple of weird al videos i'm not sure any video ever made me laugh as immediately and as hard as this one did in 1996

balls, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha "tattva" is kind of a jam imo

kitty shayme (some dude), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think I have finally, painfully, given up on defending Kula Shaker. You were all right, all along! But the hours spent spinning K endlessly while working through the first Tomb Raider on PC will remain sacred to me.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

That Spacehog album was fucking awful. Just, y'know, fyi. I can send you the tape if your curiosity remains unshakable.

Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

are you talking about benj1 burt0n??? i actually hang w/ that dude. never really listened to boulevard, a little after i stopped really paying attention to local music (was never the same after jeremy barnes moved). you know who was the huge spacehog fan is stipe. i've always had a slight curiosity to check out anything else by spacehog but really i'm fine only knowing one song by them but really loving that one song. i only know three songs by the grass roots but really love those three songs. maybe it'll be something like the turtles where when i do finally delve deeper i'll wonder what took me so long, but in the meantime...

balls, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

no, no, not benj but one of their other members along the way - - - possibly w1nst0n but my memory is shaky.

essentially spacehoggery (?):

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

what blackstreet/odb slash fiction joint?

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

STILL LOVE THIS SONG FWIW -

PPL OF ATHENS I WILL BE SINGING THIS SONG THURSDAY AT KARAOKE.

balls, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

my sister says she was in a spacehog video. i've never watched one, so i don't know whether or not this is true.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm gonna start calling liv tyer "the spacehag"

kitty shayme (some dude), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

I am so pissed off to be reminded of "Mungo City"

― da croupier, Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:58 PM Bookmark

^^^ pops into my head every time i think of Spacehog now

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

also not to be a self-plugger but if you are digging on kula shaker, mungo city and "fix" this may be the thread for you: 50 Memorable Songs Of The Late 1990s That Apparently Only You Remember, Even Though They Were Totally On The Radio And Stuff

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

I finally took a look at 1996's albums in my music and I'm a little bowled over. Here's the list of everything alternative-ish that wasn't represented in the poll and that I'll stump for (to varying degrees) and largely still listen to and enjoy:

A Minor Forest - Flemish Altruism
Aphex Twin - Richard D. James
Fiona Apple - Tidal
Baby Fox - A Normal Family
Bardo Pond - Amanita
Beck - Odelay
Belle & Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister and Tigermilk
Butter 08 - S/T
Cardigans - First Band On The Moon
Cat Power - What Would The Community Think
Cibo Matto - Viva! La Woman
Cocteau Twins - Milk and Kisses
Cynthia Dall - (untitled)
Dirty Three - Horse Stories
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing
DJ Spooky - Necropolis
Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst
Eels - Beautiful Freak
Future Sound Of London - Dead Cities
Gastr Del Sol - Upgrade & Afterlife
Lisa Germano - Excerpts From A Love Circus
Girls Against Boys - House of GVSB
Guided By Voices - Under The Bushes, Under The Stars
PJ Harvey & John Parish - Dance Hall At Louse Point
Hayden - Everything I Long For
High Llamas - Hawaii
Illyah Kuryahkin - Count No Count
Imperial Teen - Seasick
Jonathan Fire*Eater - Tremble Under Boom Lights
JSBX - Now I Got Worry
June Of 44 - Tropics & Meridians
Kostars - Klassics With A K
Lamb - S/T
Luscious Jackson - Fever In Fever Out
Mazzy Star - Among My Swan
Takako Minekawa - Roomic Cube
Modest Mouse - This Is A Long Drive For Someone With Nothing To Think About
Morcheeba - Who Can You Trust
NMH - On Avery Island
Ninetynine - S/T
OTC - Dusk At Cubist Castle and Explanation II
Orbital - In Sides
Beth Orton - Trailer Park
Palace Music - Arise, Therefore
Polvo - Exploded Drawing
Rachel's - The Sea And The Bells
Raincoats - Looking In The Shadows
Alex Reece - So Far
Retsin - Egg Fusion
Rome - S/T
Royal Trux - Sweet Sixteen
Sammy - Tales Of Great Neck Glory
Sebadoh - Harmacy
Sleater-Kinney - Call The Doctor
Sloan - One Chord To Another
Smog - The Doctor Came At Dawn and Kicking A Couple Around
Sonora Pine - S/T
Soul Coughing - Irresistable Bliss
Spinanes - Strand
Spoon - Telefono
Stereolab - Emperor Tomato Ketchup
Sugar Plant - Cage Of The Sun
Superdrag - Regretfully Yours
Tortoise - Millions Now Living Will Never Die
Tricky - Pre-Millennium Tension and Nearly God
Underworld - Second Toughest In The Infants
Veruca Salt - Blow It Out Your Ass, It's Veruca Salt
Ween - 12 Golden Country Greats
Wilco - Being There

YMMV with a lot of these albums, but it blows my mind that anyone who was into alternative/indie stuff would consider this a shitty year for music. That's more decent-to-great stuff in a single year than I've probably discovered from the past five years.

Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

re: deric's list, i did something similar in the "defend 1996" thread:

12 Favorites:

Sun City Girls - 330,003 Cross-Dressers...
Electric Wizard - Come My Fanatics
Hellacopters - Supershitty to the Max!
Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk and If You're Feeling Sinister
Outkast - ATLiens
Stereolab - Emperor Tomato Ketchup
John Zorn - Bar Kokhba
Harmony of the Spheres compilation
Bardo Pond - Amanita
Turbonegro - Ass Cobra
Ghostface Killah - Ironman

Other Good Stuff:

2Pac - All Eyez On Me
Arvo Part - Litany
Boris - Absolutego
Brainiac - Hissing Prigs In Static Couture
Butter 08 - Butter 08
Cibo Matto - Year of the Woman
Circle - Zopalki
Country Teasers - Satan Is Real Again
Cryptopsy - None So Vile
De La Soul - Stakes Is High
DJ Spooky - Songs of a Dead Dreamer
Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst and Instrumentalyst
E-40 - Hall of Game
Fatboy Slim - Better Living Through Chemistry
Fu Manchu - In Search of...
fucking racist asshole - Filosofem
Fugees - The Score
Guided By Voices - Tonics & Twisted Chasers and Under the Bushes Under the Stars
Harvey Milk - Courtesy and Goodwill to Men
Imperial Teen - Seasick
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
Jessamine - The Long Arm of Coincidence
Magic Hour - Secession '96
Maxwell - Maxwell's Urban Hang Suite
Melvins - Stag
Mobb Deep - Hell On Earth
MOP - Firing Squad
Neutral Milk Hotel - On Avery Island
Oblivians - Popular Favorites
Olivia Tremor Control - Dusk at Cubist Castle
Sleater-Kinney - Call the Doctor
Sloan - One Chord to Another
Swans - Soundtracks for the Blind
The Brian Jonestown Massacre - Take It From the Man! (and at least one more)
The Chemical Brothers - Live At the Social, Vol. 1
The Fall - Light User Syndrome
The Heads - Relaxing With...
Three 6 Mafia - The End
Tricky - Pre-Millennium Tension
Unwound - Repetition
Weezer - Pinkerton

was a great fucking year

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, and my list dispensed with most the mainstream pop and hip hop from that year. '96 just don't stop.

Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also, lest we all forget, '96 also brought us this gem:

Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh man that totally belonged in my poll :-/

Mark Ruffalo! is gonna tell us! about empathy! (loves laboured breathing), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

dr casino you need to get a mungo city jar, where every time you want to post a clip of "mungo city" or reference "mungo city" on ilx you hit yourself with the mungo city jar.

da croupier, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

lmao

some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

hahahahah

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

btw props for filing "fucking racist asshole" alphabetically under F

some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

can't believe i didn't bother to read the Xgau P&J essay from this year already, really touches on a lot of the same points covered itt:
http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/pnj/pj96.php

the girl with the swag and tattoo (some dude), Friday, 18 May 2012 21:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

voted for whigs, nice to see this turnout

Hungry4Ass, Friday, 18 May 2012 23:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

formative years for so many of us

call all destroyer, Friday, 18 May 2012 23:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

thought of another album for the 'accidental omissions' list along w/ Cracker and Tom Petty

some cute (some dude), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh man – I assigned this album when I was arts editor in college. "If I Could Talk I'd Tell You"!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just listened to "If I Could Talk I'd Tell You" this morning. Another pretty little Lemonheads tune, if ultimately fairly empty at its core.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

I did not like that album

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Blame the drugs.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's a shame about evan

some cute (some dude), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Wasn't that around the time he started doing stuff with Noel Gallagher? Yeah...

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

his vocal sounds like he's singing around a gob of Listerine.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

some really good stuff on it, first three tracks especially, but oh god C'mon Daddy is fucking terrible

Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

I love the sound on that Lemonheads album. It's so bright and airy. While there aren't any stand-out songs, first half of the record is really solid. I like the cover of Knoxville Girl. It always seemed that there was something pretty fucked up lurking behind the Dando persona and that choice of song is kinda, "Yeah, that makes sense."

brontosaur, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink


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