Homosexuality and Hip-Hop : The Gay Rapper Thread

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But on the other hand, speculating that people are queer based on stereotypical aspects of who they are just reinforces notions about what constitutes appropriate presentation/performance of gender and straightness or queer-ness, so this entire thing is pretty much a big mess, I suppose.

I think it's a lot easier to deal with this stuff on a personal/interpersonal level than a media/celebrity level and I suppose faux's right that the issue is that people are interested in gossip and celebrity's sex lives in ways that aren't relevant in the same way that kind of knowledge is in the context of friendships, sexual relationships, etc., but given that this sort of prurient interest isn't disappearing, we need to have a better way to discuss queerness and celebrity than 'straight until they hold a press conference or appear on the cover of People'

― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

if i was a celebrity i'd be tempted not to officially come out just so i could watch everyone doing their nut "speculating" and making themselves look like twats

― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Johnny Weir already played that card iirc.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

You're right, I'm just assuming that Latifah is L, the same way I'm assuming the Romneys are not really friends with the Gingriches, despite Mitt's statement the other day.

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean, yeah, i agree with marc that doing a pride fest doesn't mean shit, but a lot of other things w/r/t latifah do. at any rate it's the "default to straight" thing that bothers me.

xps

― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

if i was a celebrity i'd be tempted not to officially come out just so i could watch everyone doing their nut "speculating" and making themselves look like twats

― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Thursday, May 3, 2012 11:18 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've kind of assumed latifah's playing this card (tho with the intention of keeping her name in peoples' mouths not out of any petty malice)

― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

lezbihonest tho, couldn't it just as well be argued that refusing to recognize signs of someone's sexuality unless they've explicitly acknowledged it is equally homophobic? (says guy who is continually frustrated that no one seems to recognize i'm gay even tho i make no effort to hide it)

what signs are there outside the subject (by which i mean target) explicitly saying what they are that aren't based on stereotyping and gossip?

I also feel like the idea that it's "offensive" requires an assumption that it's "offensive" for a straight person to have to deal with speculation that they're gay,

nah it's just offensive that anyone would have to deal with anyone else speculating what they are period

― fauxmarc, Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean, MYOB, etc

says guy who is continually frustrated that no one seems to recognize i'm gay even tho i make no effort to hide it

after enough questions about whether or not i'm security at the club i gave up on caring re: others

― fauxmarc, Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

It is offensive to be coy if making one forthright statement would increase tolerance by an ounce.

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

and I say that as someone who wishes Elton John would go back IN

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

wherein being "coy" == not caving into or confronting whatever assumptions about you that other people somehow feel they're entitled a response to

― fauxmarc, Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

yep, welcome to showbiz:society relationship as it is

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Coyness" is a noun that's effective after the fact -- when the celebrity comes out and explains why they weren't out to the public for years (e.g. Neil Tennant, Ricky Martin).

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've yet to form an opinion on this. I might never form an opinion on this.

― fffv, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

old track with new video, rev initially posted it in feb. nothing alone really got me into blanco but this sold me on things

― fauxmarc, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

huh, apparently mykki's little brother is one of those NRK pyramid people. i guess that kind of makes vague sense.

― The Reverend, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Black Jewish rapper Y-Love just came out (http://www.out.com/entertainment/music/2012/05/15/y-love-yitz-jordan-hip-hop-jewish-gay)