HBO adaptation of Game of Thrones - will this be just for nerds? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

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still think emilia clarke is rather dull as daenerys: good when she's happy, a bit bland otherwise. the part's written well, but i don't know that she's bringing much to it. gorgeous though, and that makes up for a lot.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 06:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

i got pretty roundly beaten down on the internet when i suggested on a feminist thread that this show wasn't the most disgusting, misogynistic television ever created. they were having none of it.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 3 May 2012 07:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

well it is and isn't, right? it's arguably misogynist in lots of trivial ways, and the female characters are often defined according to predictably girlish/hott/maternal templates, but at the same time, it allows and celebrates strong, independent female characters like nothing else on tv that i'm aware of.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 07:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

Contenderizer totally otm itt

Clay, Thursday, 3 May 2012 07:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

I agree. And there are plenty of feminist critics out there singing its praises.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 3 May 2012 07:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think some people's brains can't cope with the idea that a story portraying an enormously sexist world and enormously sexist characters is not necessarily enormously sexist itself.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 3 May 2012 09:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^ this.

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 3 May 2012 10:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

wouldnt it be fair to say though that "strong, independent females" are equally predictable (and perhaps equally trivial) in this kinda nerd stuff? like there's always always warrior queens and powerful witches and one plucky ladywarrior alongside the wenches

r|t|c, Thursday, 3 May 2012 11:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

ie putting women on an ineffable pedestal often goes hand in hand with general misgoyny

r|t|c, Thursday, 3 May 2012 11:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

This article does a good job of addressing the series's treatment of female characters (amongst a lot of other things).
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2012/05/07/120507crte_television_nussbaum

gyac, Thursday, 3 May 2012 11:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think some people's brains can't cope with the idea that a story portraying an enormously sexist world and enormously sexist characters is not necessarily enormously sexist itself.

this isn't strictly accurate; rather, it's more that it isn't intended to be an endorsement of enormous sexism (whether it succeeds in its criticism is really up to the viewer reaction)

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Thursday, 3 May 2012 13:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

The books are more successful at dealing with the topic of misogyny than the tv show, which trips itself up by adding in unnecessary sex scenes that only seem to be included to bump up ratings and get us though slow exposition.

Moodles, Thursday, 3 May 2012 13:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

A friend told me that every sex scene in the show was in the book. He's lying or remembering incorrectly, right?

Evan, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

right

fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

A couple examples from s1 not in the books, that I could have done without:

Viserys in tub with Doreah talking dragons
Littlefinger evaluating Ros' prostitute skills

Moodles, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

i feel like all the sex is vital and nessisary

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

HBO sex is a bit embarrassing and sad, like watching your dad make a dirty joke that falls flat.

fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

I liked Viserys in the tub, but I feel a bit deviant admitting that. He was a psuedo albino cutie.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

^ yeah, this is otm. the leering depiction of female nudity definitely mars any feminist cred the show might otherwise muster, though i think people make too much of it sometimes, in a way that prevents them from seeing that there's a lot of good in there with the HBO cheesecake.

while it may be partially true, as r|t|c says, that "'strong, independent females' are equally predictable (and perhaps equally trivial) in this kinda nerd stuff", i don't think that this predictability is a fault, and it certainly isn't trivial. xena, warrior princess was initially criticized as fanboy cheesecake, but wound up meaning a lot more to lesbians than it ever did to straight guys. fantasy and science-fiction have long been popular among female readers, and they've attracted a number of strongly feminist authors. the worlds that these genres create are, of course, unreal, but they allow the exercise of constructive, transformative imagination. in fantasy and science-fiction, the possibilities available are not constrained by conventional social or even physical boundaries, something that a number of liberation-minded thinkers (feminist, queer, etc) have remarked upon.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

The books are more successful at dealing with the topic of misogyny than the tv show, which trips itself up by adding in unnecessary sex scenes that only seem to be included to bump up ratings and get us though slow exposition.

― Moodles, Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:59 AM (25 minutes ago)

^ the "this" i was responding to

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

HBO sex is a bit embarrassing and sad, like watching your dad make a dirty joke that falls flat.

― fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, May 3, 2012 10:22 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

*rolls eyes deeply deeply back into skull*

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Remy very otm

The world is your urinal. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Compared to what other sex on TV?

poxen, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

the sex in game of thrones works really well because its totally sensationalistic and silly just like the rest of the show

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

i cant really comment on all the sex on hbo ever, would require some research, ill leave it to noted hbo sex experts remy bean and forksclovetofu

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

noted hobo sexperts

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

sometimes i feel bad for the street interviews of the ppl on Real Sex, i bet they didn't think that clip of them talking about going down on their wife in 1992 was gonna be replayed all the time for the next 20 years

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

someday legume will have grownup sex with a real lady and it'll all be clear to him

The world is your urinal. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

i eagerly await that day on which the full genius of yr incisive critique into the dragons and swords nerd tv show will be revealed

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

hey asshole i thought we weren't talking, fall back

The world is your urinal. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

people really exaggerate how much HBO is "sexing the show up" IMO, there's plenty of awkwardly written weird sex stuff in the books

the whole Theon molesting his sister thing was just as weird and jarring in the book

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

hey asshole i thought we weren't talking, fall back

― The world is your urinal. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, May 3, 2012 1:30 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cool terminology forks B-)

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean my thought is that maybe .25% of the books is devoted to sexy times, whereas significantly more of the TV show is devoted to oddly graphic (but for the most part unhot) scenes of doin' it while delivering unrelated dialogue. It's not galling, just feels a little pandering. Necessarily there'll be more durrty business on TV b/c of the elision of heraldry and endless verses of The Bear and the Maiden Fair. I'm beefing with the way it's done, not with its inclusion.

fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

the entire show is a little pandering!

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

as i imagine are the books

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

you have a really weird attitude to this show lag∞n. Like you're ashamed of watching it or something

Number None, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

^ little panda ring

fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

you have a really weird attitude to this show lag∞n. Like you're ashamed of watching it or something

― Number None, Thursday, May 3, 2012 1:39 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its ott and fun and silly, im not ashamed to enjoy that... R U !!!

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

The thing is, I'm ok with awkward weird sex scenes from the book being in the show, but I don't enjoy the addition of even more awkward expository dialogues given in the context of unsexy sex scenes that weren't in the original book. The gross stuff that happens in the book would totally be enough for this show.

Moodles, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

tofu forks in ice cr∞m beef

polyphonic, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not at all bro, you just seem to be at pains to emphasise how "silly" it is. Also reading all those spoilers, that was weird too.

Number None, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

maybe you take this show... too srs ??

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

that's not it at all

Number None, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

dammit this show is kind of silly. now i feel really self-conscious about wearing cloth of gold pantaloons to the office.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

thought this last episode was grrrreat (tony the tiger voice), best one yet possibly. was feeling really down on this season before, really hating all the non-book scenes and feeling like they were giving short shrift to important moments.

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't enjoy the addition of even more awkward expository dialogues given in the context of unsexy sex scenes that weren't in the original book. The gross stuff that happens in the book would totally be enough for this show.

― Moodles, Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:41 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

agreed, my past comment was just to reflect that some ppl i know irl seem to think the book was some kinda chaste, trad lord of the rings thing and that all the sex is "HBO being HBO"....martin's a perv

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

increasingly so! (although probably he just got edited down in ealrier books).

fka snush (remy bean), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

imho the silly fun lurid quality is a central and knowingly employed aspect of the show, which is why its so much better than like some po faced lord of the rings bullshit

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink


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