U.S. Postal Service: salvageable or doomed?

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almost nobody is a farmer!

― iatee, Wednesday, May 2, 2012 4:32 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's why they all live out in the middle of nowhere!

how's life, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mandatory victory gardens should have been part of Obamacare

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

fewer than 1% of americans are farmers

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

iatee, the numbers of farmers are shrinking, but they are still required, bcz, you know, food.

Aimless, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

all those people in the middle of nowhere are just getting books sent in the mail that teach them how to build bombs to blow up post offices anyway.

scott seward, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I do think its kind of terrifying to start measuring these sorts of things per economic viability tho - its a sad insight into the creepy economic mental sludge that is going on across the board in politics these days, and makes it even clearer that the neocons have won even while losing.

Rachel Profiling (jjjusten), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

do you even know what the word neocon means

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

mail service is a constitutional issue. if you live in the middle of nowhere you still get, like, due process. sending off a letter is the same deal. so what if it's expensive!

goole, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

all those people in the middle of nowhere are just getting books sent in the mail that teach them how to build bombs to blow up post offices anyway.

Get govmt out of my Medicare!

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes you insufferable little dude xxpost

Rachel Profiling (jjjusten), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

nah the congress has the *ability* to create a postal service, not a requirement

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

l-r: ilx threads that even obliquely involve rural vs urban, iatee

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

The internets are making everything else privatizable, it seems

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

iatee just curious b/c I have not paid attention to this kind of shitstirring before -- have u lived in a rural area?

Silky Slim (dan m), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

is there anything in section 8 that congress "shall have the power to" do, that it doesn't?

goole, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

iatee, you realize that that's the whole point, that there's a minority of people who wouldn't be able to get service in the free market, but who need it, and whose services, in turn, we need.

Anyway "1% of Americans" is kind of a dumb stat to cite. It's more like 3+% of the labor force.

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

no I considered moving to one but then I remembered I was not a farmer xp

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

If the real point is to kill the unions and prove 'they don't work', the Republicans could just mandate that UPS and FedEx, etc..., serve rural areas which they could argue is a justifiable use of the commerce clause and totally wouldn't make them look like Mammon-worshipping hypocrites.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

iatee what about all the people that need to live in rural areas to serve those farmers - grain silo storage/operators, farm implement sellers, harvest season laborers, grocery stores, etc etc?

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

the post office is kinda crazy for sending letters thousands of miles for, like, 50 cents. who does that? crazy people, that's who.

scott seward, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

the post office is kinda crazy for sending letters thousands of miles for, like, 50 cents. who does that? crazy people, that's who.

^

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

p simplistic view of what the post office does imo

Silky Slim (dan m), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

tbh guys theres plenty of decent stuff to talk about here and i know its hard to resist but this is kind of a do not feed the iatee sorta situation

Rachel Profiling (jjjusten), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

They could just order their John Deere combines off of Amazon. Except nobody would deliver them. RIP farmers.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, who has ever heard of things like "economies of scale," am I right?

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyway outside of the rural/urban stuff this is what the post office does in 2k12

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

the post office is bad for the environment and other living things! that's what you're trying to say. i buy that. so many tons of junk paper.

scott seward, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

So instead of banning bulk rate/junk mail, let's def. eliminate the post office instead.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

a) the rights that inhere to you as a citizen of the US and b) the sovereignty the US government holds over the country are both irrespective of the physical geography of the continent. each person and each square inch of US space is formally the same. if this makes the mail expensive in some places relative to others, that's a lesser concern.

both of those things are somewhat fictive (or abstract, if you like) but so what? i mean shit if health care is going to follow the same logic as rights/access then shuffling paper around the country in some useful, regularized way is nbd frankly.

you can argue that in the 18th cent the intent of the clause in Section 8 is idealized, it's about the state fostering the movement of information and correspondence and not about paper per se, but we're not borg yet so let's just pay for it, jesus.

goole, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

if you banned them the post office would be even more fucked! xp

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Less concerned by actual number of farmers than the idea of telling millions of people that they need to cut all their social/family connections and pack it up for Queens.

All indications are that Americans will continue to naturally urbanize in the coming generations, we don't need draconian bullshit like purposely making life outside of major metropolitan areas more difficult.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have to admit I wouldn't miss getting mail from every Orthodox Jewish institution in my neighborhood (of which there are many) bcz someone put every plausibly non-Gentile name from my building's directory on their lists. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph....

Kept getting notices from The Nation when I subscribed that the bulk mail subsidy for periodicals had also vanished or nearly so, yes?

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure the post office isn't fucked becauase ppl like me are in charge it is fucked because people don't really use mail that much and, without a doubt, that trend is only going to continue

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Less concerned by actual number of farmers than the idea of telling millions of people that they need to cut all their social/family connections and pack it up for Queens.

and they can't even send a return address because there's no Post Office! Yikes!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

the junk mail thing is a non starter because the post office is not responsible for the content of the mail you get though xposts

Rachel Profiling (jjjusten), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

right but its fragile finances atm are built on 50%+ of the mail people get being pieces of paper they will immediately throw in the trash

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

you can tell all those benefits that postal workers get make them really happy because everyone who works at the post office is always soooooooooo happy. just a bunch of good time charlies. i say release them from their inhuman chains of misery.

scott seward, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

post office people are cocks! i like mailmen, though. my great grandpa was a mailman, and almost everybody he worked w/ was a WWII vet. Except for the dudes who worked in the offices, and they were all gov't job placement hacks, and he hated them a lot.

fka snush (remy bean), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Less concerned by actual number of farmers than the idea of telling millions of people that they need to cut all their social/family connections and pack it up for Queens.

I thought the mail was privatized in Queens.

pplains, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

reasons why the junk mail thing doesn't matter

1 - the recipient is not the customer/funder of that mail, so their demands and wishes have nothing to do with the financial situation of the post office
2 - basic economics say that the only reason for the sender to pay for that "junk mail" is that it actually has a higher return rate than the cost of mailing. so no matter what we call it, it works enough for it to be growing business for the post office, and our value judgements about it dont really matter

Rachel Profiling (jjjusten), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

'basic economics' say that it doesn't cost 50 cents to send a piece of paper anywhere in america

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

you are amazing

Rachel Profiling (jjjusten), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

you really think that billions of dollars of subsidies to send paper trash around the country is a good thing because of 'basic economics'

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

How much does it cost? xxp

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

do you really think that you can get away with this level of hilariously misapplied argumentation xpost

Rachel Profiling (jjjusten), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

dayo, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

dayo, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

reasons why the junk mail thing doesn't matter

1 - the recipient is not the customer/funder of that mail, so their demands and wishes have nothing to do with the financial situation of the post office
2 - basic economics say that the only reason for the sender to pay for that "junk mail" is that it actually has a higher return rate than the cost of mailing. so no matter what we call it, it works enough for it to be growing business for the post office, and our value judgements about it dont really matter

I just want people to look at this post for a while, just look at it

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

everyone can learn some 'basic economics' if you just reread that post I think

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

the best way to ensure that it dies is to pretend like the post office in 2025 should or can operate like the post office in 1940

iatee, Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

who cares that the government is currently running a program to send 100 billion pieces of junk mail out?

― iatee, Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:39 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't really see what the concern is

― 乒乓, Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:41 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think there are some pretty legitimate environmental concerns tbh

k3vin k., Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

this thread is interesting. my parents worked for the post office. i hope it continues to exist. what could it conceivably look like, other than a PO/bank hybrid? (also, why does this have to be about rural v. urban?)

eaumaille, Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

bcz iatee

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

because the entire postal service is run as an urban->rural transfer program.

iatee, Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

and are the distances between people really at the heart of the matter/the main thing to consider? (not a rhetorical q, just haven't thought about that way)

eaumaille, Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes. it costs more money to get things to remote places and to keep offices open in places fewer customers. the post office isn't given much flexibility here to adjust like a normal business.

iatee, Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

places with

iatee, Thursday, 28 March 2013 23:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

but the solution must surely be more complicated than asking people to not live remotely?

eaumaille, Friday, 29 March 2013 00:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

USPS should become the facebook public option

max, Friday, 29 March 2013 00:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

sry the social network public option

max, Friday, 29 March 2013 00:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've asked before it never works xp

iatee, Friday, 29 March 2013 00:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

People have a right to get things delivered to remote places by the federal government. It is a just use of state powers.

And while we're at it, FedEx and UPS should be penalized more for competing against the state. Their competition lowers the efficiency of the state's economies of scale.

I am only able to build things if Obama helps me (dandydonweiner), Friday, 29 March 2013 00:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

We should outlaw email too, because that really ruined economies of scale for the USPS.

I am only able to build things if Obama helps me (dandydonweiner), Friday, 29 March 2013 00:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

i have no idea if those posts are serious or not

k3vin k., Friday, 29 March 2013 00:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

new board description

s.clover, Friday, 29 March 2013 00:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

'competing against the state'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 00:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

iatee too literal

eaumaille, Friday, 29 March 2013 00:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

clover otm

I am only able to build things if Obama helps me (dandydonweiner), Friday, 29 March 2013 01:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

interesting

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 16:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

if you go to live in the woods they will probably just have a division that uses birds to spy on you

j., Wednesday, 3 July 2013 17:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

Home delivery ending in Canada within five years:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/canada-post-to-phase-out-urban-home-mail-delivery-1.2459618

clemenza, Friday, 13 December 2013 03:09 (9 months ago) Permalink

Home delivery ending in Canada within five years

...urban home delivery.

Aimless, Friday, 13 December 2013 03:58 (9 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

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