For a long time studios saw no profit in archiving, because the only venue for watching movies was the movie theater and the theaters only wanted to show new material. Television was at first viewed only as a dumping ground for old stuff, but that eventually changed. Ever since cable and the VCR arrived, the profit in archiving has been obvious. I'm pretty sure this will continue.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
This gives a pretty good summary of how (at a cinema level at least) digital film files are stored and delivered:
Digital Cinema Package
If that's tl;dr then it's worth noting that the files are encrypted at all stages, and decrypted via a key transmission method to the cinema, so piracy at this point in the chain looks unlikely (and would doubtless be traceable to the cinema that the files originated from). Even with compression the bit-rate for DCP files is still about 8 times that of blu-ray too, so the files are going to be in the order of hundreds of GBs as well.
― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
"The profit in archiving" applies most to the "top of the mountain" titles, though.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks, Bill! I was kind of wondering how they did it.
I was actually brainstorming this last night and came up with a pretty godawful DRM scheme they could use. I hope such a thing never comes to pass, because... you could get pretty crazy.
― mh, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aMB-u3dedB8/T6ErwzESf6I/AAAAAAABWe4/pB_nbxqE_JQ/s1600/deleted1.jpg
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
I posted that way the hell upthread but it's behind the "more messages" now.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's what kicked off this revive
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I don't get that at all because how the fuck are the hard drives they send out even writeable?
― mh, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
Ever since cable and the VCR arrived, the profit in archiving has been obvious. I'm pretty sure this will continue.
― Aimless, Wednesday, May 2, 2012 12:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
its probably less obvious in the age of internet piracy?
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
lol, we don't need profit now, we have people running torrent-seeding systems for scene "cred" or for ratio
― mh, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
From a CNET article it looks like that Avengers screening booboo was because it had been downloaded, rather than sent as a disk, so it's feasible that someone could delete it from the DCP server by accident I guess.
On a thread related note, this blog entry about the benefits of digital distribution for small-time filmmakers is quite an interesting read. Some good snaps of a typical DCP set up too:
http://wearecapture.com/blog/?p=238
― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:09 (eleven years ago) link
Two years from now (or less) the studios aren't even gonna be sending out film prints.
Eerie.
http://news.doddleme.com/news-room/and-so-it-begins-20th-century-fox-to-end-film-distribution/
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Saturday, 5 May 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
Getting ready to make up crazy facts about film projection for the grandkids.
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 7 May 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
So, everyone saw Hugo in digital projection, right?
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 7 May 2012 14:15 (eleven years ago) link
caught a glimpse of what looked like a windows 98 desktop for a split second after I saw the raid: redemption yesterday, lol
― original bgm, Monday, 7 May 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
in a chain theater
David Bordwell on James Cameron's presumptive agenda:
http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/2012/04/22/its-good-to-be-the-king-of-the-world/
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
Off topic, but this quote:
Second, if these guys are so passionately committed to quality, why don’t they make better movies?
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Monday, May 7, 2012 11:22 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
ive seen that a few times. also when i saw A Separation, the first 5 minutes or so played without subtitles because the projectionist forgot to turn them on - like when you're watching a DVD.
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
yeah for some reason i thought that bordwell article had been posted. its good, but i still cant muster any sympathy for the conscience-free big chain exhibitors who have been bilking theatergoers ever since the multiplex era began. i mean at fucking cinemacon this year the big chains were batting around ideas about allowing texting during movies to lure in teenage customers. there is no low they won't stoop to in the name of profits. of course, independent theaters are getting shafted by cameron's 'all stick' approach too...
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
Chris Nolan, defender of celluloid:
http://www.laweekly.com/2012-04-12/film-tv/35-mm-film-digital-Hollywood/
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
third time's the charm
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
haha, sorry, didn't see it until I showed the hidden posts. mea culpa
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
THE MOVIE VANISHES
http://youtu.be/EL_g0tyaIeE
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.quora.com/Pixar-Animation-Studios/Did-Pixar-accidentally-delete-Toy-Story-2-during-production/answer/Oren-Jacob
They almost lost 2 months worth of work, but then they redid everything anyway so it wouldn't have mattered. Still scary.
― the acquisition and practice of music is unfavourable to the health of (abanana), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 00:34 (eleven years ago) link
i should also point out that it incredible that
rm -rf *
― the acquisition and practice of music is unfavourable to the health of (abanana), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
it's
― the acquisition and practice of music is unfavourable to the health of (abanana), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 00:42 (eleven years ago) link
it's not a problem, it's a valid operation - you can't remove the ability to delete stuff, or change how it works.
decent permissions will stop anyone being able to delete anything but their own files (yeah, ok, that can be catastrophic enough).
― koogs, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 08:45 (eleven years ago) link
tbf Orson Welles lost two whole reels of footage when he ran out of desk space and set them on top of the trash can and the janitor threw them out
― mh, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 13:47 (eleven years ago) link
I think he actually misplaced them in a pizza box
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
I think he actually ate them
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rm_(Unix)
A command so dangerous shouldn't be so easy to use. This page has a bunch of different solutions, which most linux distributions don't use.
― the acquisition and practice of music is unfavourable to the health of (abanana), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
most of those (3) solutions won't work with the above because of the fact that it explicitly used -f to force removal. and the Protection of the filesystem root doesn't apply because it's not necessarily /
(ubuntu enforces -i by default, i think. but that's dangerous as it just leads to people typing -f by rote, to bypass all the y y y y y y y y that needs doing if you're deleting more than one file)
backups.
― koogs, Thursday, 17 May 2012 07:55 (eleven years ago) link
tbf Windows has the same issue, it's just that no one uses the command line
I have, in the past, had the charming habit of holding down shift while deleting in Windows to do a real delete all the time, though.
Backups!
― mh, Thursday, 17 May 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
oh, a digital troubleshooting thread! let's kill cinema now.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 May 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
decent source control is probably the first step though. more difficult with large binary files (textures) but...
― koogs, Thursday, 17 May 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
=D
― mh, Thursday, 17 May 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
so there's a new doc opening in a few cities and playing on VOD where Keanu interviews filmmakers about the digital changeover! Plenty for Lucas- and Cameron-haters to chew on.
http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/side-by-side/6454
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 August 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
I'm interested in seeing that, actually. Do you know when it's available on VOD?
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Monday, 13 August 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
week from Wednesday.
http://sidebysidethemovie.com/
It covers a lot of the issues discussed above, esp re archiving toward the end, but often in "It's like this / No it's not" fashion.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 August 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
morbs did you read david bordwell's 'pandora's digital book,' its great
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Monday, 13 August 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
dude, the last 'serious' book I read was Nixonland and it took me a year.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 August 2012 23:35 (eleven years ago) link
it's a quick read!
http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/2012/05/17/pandoras-digital-book/
and i guarantee more insight than keanu reeves' documentary.
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
some outtakes from that doc here
http://www.tribecafilm.com/videos/?sortBy=-startDate&11963=1030576
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
Neil Young: "Once there was a friend of mine/who died a thousand deaths." (Haven't read this yet, haven't decided if I will.)
http://www.salon.com/2012/09/28/is_movie_culture_dead/
― clemenza, Friday, 28 September 2012 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
"there's a lot of handwringing about the death of cinema so here is an article where i handwring about the death of the cinema."
really it's just a blender of TV IS MORE DISSCUSSED and that NYFF doesn't matter anymore and the cultural elites don't dictate the wider discussion
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Friday, 28 September 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-hungry-hungry-hippos-action-man-monopoly-movie-20121004,0,4066248.story
― let's keep this board about feet, please. (latebloomer), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
Just noticed that our Landmark franchise here--which resides in perhaps Houston's last movie palace that actually still shows movies--has gone all digital for new releases.
― 50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
Hungry Hungry Hippos, which debuted in 1978, is a game in which players compete with plastic hippos to swallow marbles off of a board.
shit i've been playing it wrong
― thread lock holiday (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
ha
― Number None, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link