TS: Godfather vs Godfather II

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Youth lends a certain glamor to thuggery. Also, golden, suffusing light.

Aimless, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 22:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

in the context of the story more effort is arguably put into making his descent into violence understandable or sympathetic than in justifying much or all of the other violence we see?

Newsy of the Worldy (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 23:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

imyo

Newsy of the Worldy (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 23:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

vito's or michael's descent?

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 23:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Lots of shots of Vito and his family enjoying their company (to emphasize their father's love) and bitter at their poverty so that the audience accepts why he chose crime. Also: the local obese white-suited Italian boss is made a sleaze compared to hollow-cheeked taciturn Vito.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

yep, and the backstory from the old country etc also.

Newsy of the Worldy (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Vito's whole shtick since Part I is that family absolves all sins, but i dunno if the audience is meant to buy it, except to the extent that Michael destroys his family.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 23:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

and to the extent that Michael even loves his family.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 23:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Watched I and II over the weekend.

I - I adore Brando, not so much his delivery but all the small things he does to add color to Vito. The way he casually brushes off Solazzo's pants at the sit-down, that opening scene with the cat...he feels like a real person, somehow? I read Kael's review and I like the thing she said about how Brando internalizes all of the power of the Don. It's like his violent past is buried deep in his old man soul so you can feel his power just by him being in the room. And the quietness of Pacino just gets me. He's so measured and good in the beginning, and then measured and ready, and tough; and then measured and calculating.

II - I've only seen it once before. I def found the details of the story a lot more confusing, especially the Roth connections and the double-play Michael was making about his suspicions on who shot him up at Tahoe...but the DeNiro scenes were fantastic. And the way it was like the thread you were watching going forwards with DeNiro, by contrast wtih Pacino it's like even though he's building that empire you're seeing him lose everything that Vito gained. All through I, Vito is surrounded by associates and family and friends adn everyone is so close to him, the parties seem like huge extended families...but Michael has everyone on a pending kill list, even his own family. I have been thinking a lot about what exactly it was that bred that impulse in Michael, as though he misinterpreted the shooting of his father as a call to arms to shoot everyone who crossed his path from then on.

The last couple of scenes of II really slayed me though. That table scene with Sonny, Fredo, Michael and Connie and I'm kind of teary just on the weight of seeing them all alive again, lol. And then Michael staring out at the lake alone at that big mansion.

Oh, and I adore the score. Adore it. Maybe moreso in I than II though. I it was much more noticeable, felt much more like a radio melodrama with its musical cues.

sorry for the blather I've just had it in my head all day and had to get it out!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 August 2012 21:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

It was only over many viewings that that most of the details in II started to fall in place--there are probably still a couple that I couldn't fully explain. (E.g.: Why does Michael go off on Pentangeli the way he does during his "In my home" tirade? He seems to have made up his mind by that point that it was Roth who set him up, not Pentangeli.) My favourite line from the flashback dinner scene: "Talked to my father about my future? My future."

clemenza, Monday, 20 August 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

YES. That killed me.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 August 2012 21:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I loved Fredo's speech in the chair to Michael too, the one you said some of the kids in your class performed upthread; the way he's flailing around helplessly in that stupid chair while simultaneously pleading for respect was hilarious and sad.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 August 2012 21:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

Coppola notepad

http://cinephilearchive.tumblr.com/post/39323234557

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 13:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

I really think evidence that Coppola even fleetingly considered the Indian chief from "F Troop" for Don Corleone to be p significant.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

TS: Anthony Zerbe as Sonny Corleone vs. Anthony Zerbe as Tom Hagen

Gollum: "Hot, Ready and Smeagol!" (Phil D.), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

I didn't realize Zerbe was in his mid 30s at the time, always seemed older.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

The theatre where I saw II last night was giving these out at the door:

I'm sure this has been raised many times, but I'd never thought about how puzzling the timeline is jumping from II to III. II ends sometime after 1958--within a year, say. III is set in 1979. Mary is around, what, 6 or 7 in II? That'd make her late 20s in III. But isn't Sofia Coppola supposed to be 18 or 19 in III? Or am I mixing up the actress's age with the character's?

clemenza, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 00:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah that whole thing did my head in, I had to stop thinking about it

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 00:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

Literally the first time I'd ever thought about it, primarily because I try never to think about III.

clemenza, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 00:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

did you know today was the day don michael corleone traveled forward in time to die on at the end of godfather 3?

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 00:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

I watched them back to back a while ago (or at least, within a day or two of each other)...such a bad idea.

You need a xanax to deal wtih the transition

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 00:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I did II and III within a couple of days of each other too. It's interesting to see up close just what happens to the functioning of it all when you tear out the European art film element and replace it wholesale with a US soap element.

hot young stalin (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 02:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

It took me a good hour to stop saying GAH! MY EYES

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 02:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

i really loved III when i saw it at the movies. but i was 15 and i was so damned in love with sofia coppola. can't face seeing it again.

SOYLENT GREEN IS SHEEPLE (stevie), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 08:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

11 months pass...

at last we know where clemenza's house is!

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:02 (6 months ago) Permalink

lol 128 Mott St

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:02 (6 months ago) Permalink

Ned that is neato!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:18 (6 months ago) Permalink

kinda sad about that Bronx restaurant going, since Tessio said "it's perfect for us... good food..." My fave bad laugh of the movie.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:19 (6 months ago) Permalink

Ambience was important, too: everyone minds his business.

clemenza, Monday, 27 January 2014 18:25 (6 months ago) Permalink

I hafta think the mansion in Staten Island gets some drive-up tourism.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:29 (6 months ago) Permalink

Reminder: Abe Vigoda is still alive.

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Monday, 27 January 2014 18:29 (6 months ago) Permalink

tessio's yelp review was glowing iirc

christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:32 (6 months ago) Permalink

The commenters up re seem to locate the barbershop in the St Regis Hotel, so all my fave noise enemies are invited there for a shave.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:34 (6 months ago) Permalink

Being alive is the smart move. Tessio was always smarter.

clemenza, Monday, 27 January 2014 18:51 (6 months ago) Permalink

the stuff on page 2 about the tollbooths/AFB is great

goole, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:22 (6 months ago) Permalink

The Godfather. Only the Deniro part of the second movie are any good. I barely cared about Al Pacino's character at the end of the first movie why would I (or anyone else) want to struggle through half of another movie and ANOTHER whole movie after that. Blurch.

Really the best way to watch the first two movies is that 7 hour long thing (The Godfather Epic) they did for NBC where they put them all in chronological order and added an hour or so of outtakes, but I don't think that's available anywhere anymore.

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rip van wanko, Monday, 27 January 2014 20:01 (6 months ago) Permalink

every time I pass Old St Patrick's (maybe once a year) I get the urge to go in and reject Satan and all his works.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 January 2014 20:02 (6 months ago) Permalink

And settle all family business?

Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Monday, 27 January 2014 20:03 (6 months ago) Permalink

"Really the best way to watch the first two movies is that 7 hour long thing (The Godfather Epic) they did for NBC where they put them all in chronological order and added an hour or so of outtakes, but I don't think that's available anywhere anymore."

I dig the ending on that edit where they use that unused scene with Michael coming back from WWII at Christmas time as the bookend showing the family together and happy.

The first one is a better stand alone movie, but to me it's all one piece in my mind as I have spent more than a few holiday's watching them back to back on TV over the years.

earlnash, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:01 (6 months ago) Permalink

that Christmas scene is in the official cut of G2, I do believe.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:22 (6 months ago) Permalink

Was just going to say that.

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:23 (6 months ago) Permalink

It's been so long since I saw the 7-hour version, I can't specifically remember any of the added scenes. But I do recall that even the slightest change--a few extra seconds at the beginning or end of a standard scene--jumped out at me immediately.

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:25 (6 months ago) Permalink

Brando wanted too much $ to be in it, but since they got Caan and the other dead folks they put it in anyway. xxp

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:27 (6 months ago) Permalink

I def saw the Complete Novel in '77 before I saw II standalone.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:29 (6 months ago) Permalink

if it's the scene in which Michael announces he's enlisted it's in the original GII.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:30 (6 months ago) Permalink

that's right, it's sposed to be '41 and he's back from Yale.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:37 (6 months ago) Permalink

have we ever discussed the Vito chronology? i think he's identified as nine in 1901 when he flees Sicily, so when the first movie starts he's 53?? Brando is made up and acts like 70 at least.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:44 (6 months ago) Permalink

The chronology in the three films is a muddle. So is costume and set design.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:45 (6 months ago) Permalink

I like the eighties cuts of the disco-era GIII Andy Garcia.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:45 (6 months ago) Permalink


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