GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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the gawker posts on this are the worst thing in the world

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 07:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

"maybe they weren't awful. maybe your taste is awful." hahaha!

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

will always have total mancrush luv for legros. i'm only human!

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

xposting I don't know how far past Gen X or Gen Y we are, exactly - it's not an exact science - but certainly we've hit the point where Gen Y should be starting to churn out their share of movies, books, etc.; Dunham might even be on the young end of that scale. The so-called millennials are all still in school, so we've got a few years before they offer their own solipsistic take on the world.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

they will only be able to make movies if their parents are watching them though.

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

That'd be hilarious. "Lena, don't forget to shoot coverage! And wipe that powdered sugar off your cheek!"

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

three episodes isnt quite enough for me to make the judgment that the characters dont have distinct voices but yeah so far shoshanna and gemma dont have much depth at all. marine is a little better but not by much -- but it seemed really clear to me that her scenes in episode 3 were hers, the whole, "uptight girl gets sexual mind blown by Andy Samberg sidekick" thing

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

don't forget your water bottle! you need to hydrate. most hydrated generation alive.

x-post

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

i thought the art gallery bathroom masturbation scene was weird, not specifically masturbating in the bathroom but that marnie would be so turned on by that guy telling her about his scary sex, the kind of thing that if itd happened in a show written/directed by men i wouldve written off as fantasy

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

then again sexuality is a mysterious & complex phenomenon

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

i believe artist dude is a man but i don't believe that he knows things.

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyway i still like this show a lot, it makes me laugh enough not to care too much about dancing to robyn at the end

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

There’s also a scene in one of the episodes where a guy says to one of the characters, “The first time I fuck you I might scare you a little, because I’m a man, and I know how to do things,” and it’s supposed to be a huge turn-on.

Somebody actually said that line to me, only afterward he was like, “That’s the thing my friend who works at Vice magazine taught me.” And I was like, the best way to negate the hot thing you just said is to end it with, that’s the thing my friend at Vice magazine told me.

Was it working before he said that?

No, it never really worked. I don’t think he was really willing to put his money where his mouth was. I’ve been watching that show “Bent,” and I just love the main guy in it. He’s a guy who comes over and is like, “When you’re ready for me, it’s gonna be crazy.” I’ve never had a situation in real life where that’s been effective, but in my movie life, it’s very effective. Real life – it’s grotesque. But if somebody says like, I’m paraphrasing, like, “We’re gonna screw and you’re gonna like it,” that is so much more attractive in theory than in practice.

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

i googled 'onion av club lena dunham interview' trying to find that (which is actually from the salon interview, oops) and even with 'lena dunham interview' in the search terms the episode guides show up above it on google. the mtynahseriouis tv wastching habits of genernation y

apparently there is also a neogaf thread about this show which before i click on i am going to pre-emptively take back the thing i said about the gawker posts on it being the worst thing in the world

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

dunham is really good at deflating those weird pretentions, especially w/r/t sex, so its weird to me that she played the marnie scene so straight

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, gen x was several years older than me during the grunge era, and i'm 'old' now

more than several, Generation X lasted from the 50s to the 90s as a current term for "oh our feckless young generation, wherever are they headed"

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

dunham is really good at deflating those weird pretentions, especially w/r/t sex, so its weird to me that she played the marnie scene so straight

it's bcz marnie is a figment rather than an actual person

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

generations are pretty big, everyone who isn't a baby boomer or gen y is somewhere in the gen x spectrum

iatee, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i was surprised at marnie's reaction to that idiotic thing that dude said, too. lena dunham explained it in the little after-the-show clip but it still seems kind of out-of-character.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

marnie doesn't seem like a figment to me

horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

like i thought the whole thing was going to be, marnie's having one of those intense flirty nights w/ this guy shes into, and he says this ridiculous thing and it completely ruins the moment

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

Mostly I'm taking away that girls in this generation have names that start with the same letter.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

was super-excited to see james legros

horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

Gen X had nothing to do with the '50s. Though the '50s did give birth to youth culture, and young people are angsty and self-obsessed, so there's that.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Generation X the book = based on Generation X the Billy Idol band = named after Generation X the 50's sociology book that Idol's mum had on a shelf.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

Named after =/= based on, obviously.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

really generation y ought to be referred to as generation x-subscript-2

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

The letters X and Y precede hundreds of generations.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

xps

There's "generation X" as a term that has been wheeled out since the 50s and then there's the generation which we currently refer to with that term.

A generation of young people about whose future there is uncertainty; a lost generation. In later use: spec. a generation of young people (esp. North Americans reaching adulthood in the 1980s and 1990s) perceived to be disaffected, directionless, or irresponsible, and reluctant to participate in society.

1952 Holiday Dec. 41/2 What, you may well ask, is Generation X?‥ These are the youngsters who have seen and felt the agonies of the past two decades,‥who are trying to keep their balance in the swirling pressures of today, and who will have the biggest say in the course of history for the next 50 years.
1964 C. Hamblett & J. Deverson Generation X 8 The ultimate responsibility of Generation X is to guide the human race through the final and crucial decades of this explosive century into the enlightenment of the next one.

NSFW Australia (seandalai), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

marine is a little better but not by much -- but it seemed really clear to me that her scenes in episode 3 were hers, the whole, "uptight girl gets sexual mind blown by Andy Samberg sidekick" thing

― max, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 9:48 AM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah i mean i got what was happening from a character standpoint, its just in the execution it felt very hannah-y - just imagine dunham in those gallery scenes kind of mumbling to herself and going along with short dorky jizz in his pants guy and its a perfect fit. i didnt buy it, i guess its just me though

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

only generation x could take a thread about millennials and turn it into a thread about them

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp - No fair enough, switch the 'based on' to 'named after', just saying it's been a tag that's been around for a while - Douglass Coupland isn't the first to pin specific behaviours to general fecklessness, but his has stuck a bit better because a) he's Douglass Coupland and b) we were all the right age for it :)

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp nah i didnt buy it either really, i suppose it makes a little more sense if you imagine that the guy is some hip artist who marnie is really into

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

only generation x could take a thread about millennials and turn it into a thread about them

― max, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 7:22 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Pretty sure boomers could've done this handily, too

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

It only makes sense to me if part of the attraction is his prestige

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i mean i got what was happening from a character standpoint, its just in the execution it felt very hannah-y - just imagine dunham in those gallery scenes kind of mumbling to herself and going along with short dorky jizz in his pants guy and its a perfect fit. i didnt buy it, i guess its just me though

― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:22 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hannah definitely would have rolled her eyes at "when i fuck you, it might scare you a little, cause i'm a man," though! marnie's desperate for the kind of fun she thinks she's not having in a committed long-term relationship. but it's still kind of hard for me to buy her not snorting at what that dude said.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

I asked my mom and she said you gen x'ers are being mean and she's going to call stet and complain if you don't knock it off.

Mordy, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

it would have worked better if the dude had been a really ladykiller/hottie but a real ladykiller/hottie wouldn't have said that.

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

no i think it was good that he was sort of normal-looking and a dick

horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

he was highly plausible all-around

horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

hannah would have said something like: "scary, like, are you going to wear a scary mask or something?"

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

right, that makes sense, cuz it is something a jerky guy would say in a bar. but her reaction was...extreme to say the least.

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

i was surprised at marnie's reaction to that idiotic thing that dude said, too.

i just assumed she is so sick of her boyfriend that anyone who is not like him will seem AWESOME and a possible escape. she's not a massively likeable character but i don't mind that.

Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean i "got" the psychological motivation and reaction it just seemed a bit... much to have her run to the bathroom to rub one out

max, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

well she's an art-history girl and he's an artist she admires, right? (i hope i'm not stereotyping by calling her an art-history girl.)

xxp i think that is what the show is saying, yes. it's just that marnie seems generally disdainful of horrible men so that moment is jarring.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyway, this show is fun enough for me. she can kinda go anywhere with it. that's the fun part.

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah maybe Marnie is turned on by any sort of aggressive talk even if it's from a douchebag, since her boyfriend is so even-handed and nice. Like sex with dude who thinks he's in charge would be a great break from a dude who is probably asking "is that ok for you? do you like this?"

mh, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

Grass always being greener, etc...

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah wait until she finds out sex with everyone is pretty mediocre

mh, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

well she was telling the boyfriend to be a man in the other episode.

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:58 (1 year ago) Permalink


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