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i mean to say, making less and less sense as a character to me this season

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 01:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

or is that, making less and less sense as a character this season to me

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 01:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

or perhaps, to me, peggy is making less and less sense as a character this season

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 01:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, i was kinda under the impression she wasn't so happy in her relationship. then she got all excited for his proposal? message: all girls want to be married at heart, even peggy?

Mordy, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 01:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

She realized giving tuggers to totall strangers wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

but it wasn't a proposal.

she seemed to be bummed out at first about him not proposing, then got used to the idea.

classic misdirection btw: i assumed that joan would be wrong (since she's referring to an increasingly obsolete code of gendered communication) and that abe would be breaking up with peggy. but turns out joan was half-right.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

xpost

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

she still got excited + all dressed up

Mordy, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was cracking up at Peggy in that scene, definitely was expecting her to get dumped with that huge smile on her face.

"You still wanna eat?"
"...I do"

sleepingbag, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

also lol at Peggy's "someone broke up with you?" to Joan

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

the writing in this episode was great.

peggy's mother's face at abe saying that peggy had made a ham "my favourite" and the subsequent confrontation at the end with peggy's mother was very clever the way it switched your sympathies.

megan's conversation at the awards ceremony with her father was also great.

several other great scenes which i'm blanking on.

i love julia ormond. i hope she's in it more.

jed_, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

although the peggy not-being-proposed-to scene felt a bit forced the following scene with peggy and joan was very touching.

jed_, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Kinda nice to see Mona again.

LaMonte, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

What about Pete! I had just commented on how missing he was in this episode when he shows up and has that brilliant exchange with Emile. Harry also barely made the cut, but got to show up and be an ass for 20 seconds.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol forgot about Harry finishing the story

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

pete's scene was great and unusually self-aware

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

has that brilliant exchange with Emile.

i wasn't convinced. pete just wouldn't have the balls to do this.

jed_, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

roger being so fun with sally and then destroying her innocence was v heartbreaking

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

he would if the person was of no consequence to him professionally xpost

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm watching the eames documentary and this pic made me flash back to peggy on the honda scooter:

Sgt. Dee Dee The Brass Cupcake McCall (get bent), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

also i wonder how much Sally is going to see this season by looking for a bathroom and opening the wrong door

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tried watching the pitch.
Fuck all these people

"in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ha they're trying to get mac lethal for a subway breakfast commercial!

"in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 03:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

One of the best episode ending lines.

mh, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 03:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

I laughed at the Pete greeting Sally moment at the awards dinner - he does like them young, but that young?

sarahell, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

So I guess Megan is gonna quit her job at some point

silverfish, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Megan's dad is a great character

sarahell, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

What about Pete! I had just commented on how missing he was in this episode when he shows up and has that brilliant exchange with Emile.

yeah, loved this. good rebuttal to my earlier kvetching about how pete seems at though he would suck at his job. demonstrated that he's a gifted flatterer.

Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

roger being so fun with sally and then destroying her innocence was v heartbreaking

― call all destroyer, Monday, April 30, 2012 7:52 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

One of the best episode ending lines.

― mh, Monday, April 30, 2012 8:29 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm, the both of you

Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think your judgment is clouded by your general loathing of him

sarahell, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

undoubtedly true

Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

this was a great episode, but peggy is making less and less sense to me as a character this season

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, April 30, 2012 6:55 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think she makes sense as a character. she's smart & ambitious, has a strong sense of her value as a thinker and doer, but is still rather insecure about her looks and place in the world. though she refuses to be bound by expectations, she can't help but see herself as "no prize" in relation to the likes of joan and megan.

Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

her response to Megan at the office celebration of the Heinz success was odd, and i questioned her sincerity.

sarahell, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

That was just a weird exchange from both ends.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

I can see her wanting to feel that way, and if she truly does, then she's way more saintly than anyone else on the show.

sarahell, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think she was sincere. I think the easy/lazy idea is that she's jealous of Megan, that Megan's lucky because she's getting by due to Don, that she'll get ahead before her etc etc. But I think the writers give Peggy more credit than that. She's too smart. She sees how hard Megan works and how Megan seeks her advice and approval, and she acknowledges that the work is good, or at least good enough. So I think she's sincere in being happy for her. If there is any threat of being replaced, by Megan or by Ginsburg, I don't think she senses it. She's too caught up in her own work and Abe.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

it was an odd scene. i didn't doubt peggy's sincerity, but there was something awkward about her declaration of selfless solidarity, and i didn't get why megan seemed so troubled by her moment of triumph.

Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

or maybe, esp. with the recent Abe interactions, she's feeling that she needs to have a life outside of the office and that world? The ending line, "this is as good at this job gets" was totally credible.

sarahell, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think Megan seemed troubled because having a great idea about how to sell beans was ultimately not really that satisfying and it left her questioning whether she actually wants a career in advertising

xp

silverfish, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

The ending line, "this is as good at this job gets" was totally credible.

yeah, that was peggy's best moment in this episode

Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

I mean, the exchange between Megan and her father fills in a lot of gaps about Megan's personality, she was obviously raised to be ambitious. And if this is "as good as it gets", then maybe she wants something more.

xp to myself

silverfish, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think Megan seemed troubled because having a great idea about how to sell beans was ultimately not really that satisfying and it left her questioning whether she actually wants a career in advertising

good point! sets up her father scolding her for giving up her own dreams to fit in with don's life. annoyed at myself for not catching that.

Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

now that she is being written as more than just Don's manic pixie dream girl, I'm liking Megan a lot more.

sarahell, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

maybe megan decides to quit advertising and become an actress, and then she's cast as the wife of the lead character in a television drama about the world of advertising.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

the beans pitch again raised a question that's come up several times itt: are SCDP really all that great at what they do? cuz while i could definitely see that ad appearing on TV, it didn't exactly blow me away with its brilliance.

Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

the client liked it, that's pretty much what mattered.

sarahell, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

I suspend my disbelief for that kind of stuff because you're never gonna have a tv show come up with all these brilliant advertising ideas. Basically if they say it's brilliant on the show I just assume it is for the purposes of the story.

silverfish, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

the beans pitch again raised a question that's come up several times itt: are SCDP really all that great at what they do? cuz while i could definitely see that ad appearing on TV, it didn't exactly blow me away with its brilliance.

― Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 12:11 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but this is ALWAYS the problem when fiction tries to represent the creative process: the supposed "great novel" or "great symphony" the leader character is preparing is rarely any good. you have to suspend disbelief.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, i know. mad men doesn't make a great case for SCDP as a brilliant, pioneering ad powerhouse, imo. not a criticism of the show.

Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think it's been made clear many times that they are not on the cutting edge. They are competent and occasionally have a flash of genius/inspiration, and people like Ginsburg think they have potential (or he was just flattering them), but they're not DDB.

That's why all the talk above about whether Peggy is good seems weird to me. She's good enough for that job. Don is good enough for the job. They're both competent and occasionally really good. But if they were really great they'd be more successful. And I don't think the show has been about the quality of the work since like Season 1.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:17 (1 year ago) Permalink


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