Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

yeah not really like the floodgates opened once welbeck came on, if anything he helped the ball stick in the city half

why smalling for evans as well? would also have been a sounder bet than jones if he was that worried about rafael

jones is learning so little he might as well be at spurs

― r|t|c, Monday, 30 April 2012 23:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Performance as subs is irrelevant. Bottom line is Park and Jones shouldn't have been anywhere near that team. Giggs i can understand cos he does still have the ability to pick a pass despite being horrible for most of the game but in general it was a cowardly selection and performance. This is not Barcelona. I feel like we could have matched them if we played to our strengths

― Number None, Monday, 30 April 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

i might have played jones as a sort of gattusoish runner in midfield, he doesn't have a lot of nous but he has power and aggression where park was just overrun, he can even do a plausible imitation of touré charging forwards a winning free kicks 20 yards upfield to give the dm/cbs respite

id have started valencia cuz he has some of the same attributes

they still probably would have lost of course

― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Monday, 30 April 2012 23:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

nope, this season had been a "learning experience" for Jones. He shouldn't have even been in contention

― Number None, Monday, 30 April 2012 23:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

in an ideal world yeah, but who else would you play there? you can't plays giggs and scholes in cm together, park is 31 years old and about nine stone vs yaya gd touré

which is the best case for playing a narrow 442 with valencia and giggs tucked in during defensive phases

― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Monday, 30 April 2012 23:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

First i would've played Rafael at right back. I don't care how reckless he is, at least he would have offered something going forward. Then i would have gone for a midfield two of Carrick and Scholes with Valencia and Nani on the wings. Rooney and Welbeck up front with the TWP dropping deep to support the midfield. Like i said, we feared them too much tonight and completely negated our own strengths

― Number None, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyway i'm drunk and depressed. C'mon Newcastle! or something

― Number None, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

City won through one defensive lapse at at a set piece. Yeah they dominated possession but they didn't put De Gea under a massive amount of pressure. That's why I feel like Utd played into their hands

― Number None, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

rafael at rb def

― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

unfergielike selection and performance, or just an unfergielike result?

― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 07:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

twp, nani and carrick are probably their most important players this season and they did very little

I thought Carrick was good, actually.

i think maybe the lesson for ferguson, and for everyone else, was that they gained little possession with a 4-3-3 over a 4-4-2, and lost a lot in counterattacking threat

That was 4-5-1, not 4-3-3, for a good hour: ten men behind the ball and Rooney isolated up front.

why smalling for evans as well?

Apparently Evans was injured, so that change was unforced, the rest was Ferguson's making though. Over the last week I read lots of (internet) United discussion saying if he starts any two out of Park, Giggs and Jones then we've lost. He chose to start all three of them.

Anyway - looks like we've got some much needed rain today. Nice weather for ducks.

― Let's Talk About Socks (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 07:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

why is Rooney called TWP?

― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 08:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

United boss Ferguson said: “I think he’s a typical British player, but there have been British players over the last few years, maybe for the last decades who have similar great qualities that makes them great players, whether it’s a Gascoigne, George Best, Bobby Charlton, Denis Law.

“The similarities are that the boy has great courage, he wants to play all the time, he has incredible stamina.

“These are added extras to the talent he has. If you look at Pele for instance, he was a very aggressive attacker also who could look after himself, so can Rooney.

“They have similarities that way — strength, speed, determination, but he’s white, completely white.”

― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 08:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

^ That was Ferguson responding to the song, rather than creating the expression. I think Everton might have started the song when he still played for them.

― Let's Talk About Socks (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 08:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

At Goodison, TWP was Colin Harvey.

― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 08:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Evertonian friend of mine used to call him Roonaldo back in the day.

― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 08:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

referencing Fat Ronaldo not Cron iirc

― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 08:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

I called him the Golden Child. Or just Remember The Name. Now he's just some thug from Crocky.

― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 09:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

TFC would only get him confused with terry tho

― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 09:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Remember The Roon! Name Wayney!

that was his catchphrase.

Was Harvey considered a White Pele or was there another reason for his claiming those initials?

When I was about 8 or 10 years old I read a book on PLAY BETTER SOCCER (football was called soccer in those days) and it kept showing tactical drawings of a player called Pele, who I thouht must be pronounced 'Peel'.

― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 09:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

ag imirt peile

― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 09:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

all in colour

― we are not bemused (onimo), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 09:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

ah so tahts what it means

― kid steel (cajunsunday), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just terrace hyperbole; there was a banner in the Park End proclaiming Harvey as such. He was an immensely gifted player, going by what I've read, but obviously NOT remotely comparable to Pele in any department other than a local "best we've ever seen".

Terry Darracott was The Balding Beckenbauer, and Ronnie Goodlass was The One-Handed Coen Moulijn. Mick Lyons was just Mick Lyons.

― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

andy hinchcliffe?

― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

I can't invent anything as good as this:
Like his Everton team-mate, Duncan Ferguson, Hinchcliffe has inspired a composition by the Finnish composer Osmo Tapio Räihälä, who wrote an orchestral work titled Hinchcliffe Thumper - Tha' Bloody Intermezzo in 1993.

― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

(He played for England! I don't remember that. Truly, his Wiki is full of delights. Well, just those two.)

― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

He received his first football shirt on his 6th Birthday. It was a Nigeria shirt with Tolu and the number 4 on the back.

hmmn

― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

the intermezzo bit is true tho

http://www.operatoday.com/content/2010/04/osmo_tapio_raih.php

― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'd heard about the Ferguson piece, but I didn't realise Hinchy (as someone probably called him) had his own.

― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

right....and i can see the thematic allure of dunc's bigness, stoicism and pigeon-fancying

not sure what andy hinchcliffe has to recommend himself in the same fashion

― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

is TLP no longer any good? wondered why he didn't come on last night for a bit.

― Rosie 47 (ken c), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

which means little pele

― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

i figured the light pele, was trying to identify the benched player of latte skin tone you were describing

― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

the little pea?

― Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Can't believe Hansen put the blame for City's goal last night on De Gea.

― pandemic, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

Eh? How's that supposed to work?

― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

hansen just gets lazier and more boorish by the year

― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

should be commanding the area, i guess. I can see it, tbh, when a goal's scored from a couple of yards out from a set play delivery. But from a corner you'd be leaving yrself vulnerable to a front post flick so rly..

― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Said if he was in the correct position in the centre of his goal he would have saved it "i know it was quite fast but". Insane.

― pandemic, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

I thought Neville was very good on the goal, actually - and that's without the acting-out of Smalling's body position, and indeed emotions as he realised Kompany was getting there first.

― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

if smalling had been mediuming he would have headed that away

― Rosie 47 (ken c), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

(He played for England! I don't remember that. Truly, his Wiki is full of delights. Well, just those two.)

― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:47 (43 minutes ago) Bookmark

wasnt it during that pre-cole post-le saux endless england left flank question era with loads of mediocre randoms auditioning

michael gray, michael ball, shall we play two full backs and have one as winger, lee hendrie, the clamour for alan thompson, steve guppy and jason wilcox, hmm maybe barmby or dyer can play there

it was the best of times

― r|t|c, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

he said, proudly sporting his young/downing/eh maybe j cole/gerrard? jersey

― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

"The 1990s - what was all that about?"

It's my lost decade in football terms. I didn't attend a professional game at any level in the '90s and there are great swathes of international-class players from that era that I wouldn't recognise if they ran their trolley down my shin in Waitrose.

― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

stuart ripley was gonna solve that lw problem but iirc he suffered pretty much a career-ending injury on his england debut, or some such mini-tragedy

― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

Didn't warm up properly and did his hamstring within about ninety seconds of coming on iirc.

― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

unlikely to have solved lw if he was rw to wilcox for most of his career

― r|t|c, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

I thought Neville was very good on the goal, actually - and that's without the acting-out of Smalling's body position, and indeed emotions as he realised Kompany was getting there first.

Yeah, this was good. "As soon as you start leaning back like that you know you've lost..."

― Number None, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

"The 1990s - what was all that about?" - lost decades, reasons & regrets

― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:29 (1 year ago) Permalink