Pretend you have a ballot for the 2012 edition of Sight & Sound's top 10 movies of all time list

yeah, I guess most of the good film bloggers were out picnicking last week.

o hell no Eric

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 April 2012 18:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

eric, aren't you going to make a cannes 2012 poll/thread this year?

― jed_, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=92008

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

You know me too well, et al.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

cheers ;)

― jed_, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://blog.josephjonlanthier.com/post/22194982495/why-myra-breckinridge-belongs-in-the-sight-and-sound

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Will Leitch, Deadspin:

"I would take out 'The Godfather Parts I and II' because that is cheating: You can't put two movies in one spot, even if you want to. WHAT ARE WE, SAVAGES? I would replace it with 'The Godfather.'"

Now this I like.

Still reeling from the idea of anybody's all-time favourite movie being The Fountain, let alone someone who writes about film for a living, albeit for HuffPo.

― And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

Mine hasn't changed in a while.

1. Some Call It Loving (James B. Harris, 1973)
2. The Hart of London (Jack Chambers, 1969-1970)
3. Imitation of Life (Douglas Sirk, 1959)
4. Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles (Chantal Akerman, 1975)
5. Blow Job (Andy Warhol, 1962)
6. Thanatopsis (Ed Emshwiller, 1963)
7. Submit To Me Now (Richard Kern, 1987)
8. Illusions (Julie Dash, 1980)
9. Angel Face (Otto Preminger, 1953)
10. The Rocky Horror Picture Show (Jim Sharman, 1975)

― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 05:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

since i never posted mine, here goes:

1. a taste of honey (tony richardson, 1961)
2. city lights (charles chaplin, 1931)
3. daisies (věra chytilová, 1966)
4. loves of a blonde (milos forman, 1965)
5. persona (ingmar bergman, 1966)
6. an angel at my table (jane campion, 1990)
7. l'avventura (michelangelo antonioni, 1960)
8. my man godfrey (gregory la cava, 1936)
9. stranger than paradise (jim jarmusch, 1984)
10. fanny and alexander (ingmar bergman, 1982)

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 06:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

After Death (Bauer, 15)
The Scarlet Empress (Von Sternberg, 34)
L'eclisse (Antonioni, 61)
La Jetee (Marker, 62)
Simon of the Desert (Bunuel, 65)
Weekend (Godard, 67)
Pink Narcissus (Bidgood, 71)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Hooper, 74)
Satantango (Tarr, 94)
Showgirls (Verhoeven, 95)

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 11:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

that's a nice list

― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 11:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

All US/Euro+Russian tho, which does bother me.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 11:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Nader voting" v popular itt

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 11:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

If I were to choose one title to bolster in the top 10-20 range, it would be Rules or Balthazar.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 11:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Eric, I'm sad that Women in Revolt got bumped.

― jed_, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 12:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

Don't worry. Both Women in Revolt and Pink Narcissus will get the same amount of votes in the IRL S&S poll.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

ha.

― jed_, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

Belle de Jour (Buñuel, 1968)
Trouble in Paradise (Lubitsch, 1932)
Anatomy of a Murder (Preminger, 1959)
Early Spring (Ozu, 1956)
Au Hazard, Balthazar (Bresson, 1966)
Mulholland Drive (Lynch, 2001)
The Earrings of Madame De... (Ophuls, 1953)
McCabe & Mrs Miller (Altman, 1971)
My Own Private Idaho (Van Sant, 1991)
The Lady Eve (Sturges, 1942)

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

I guess since at least 8 of my selections could be construed as horror movies of some stripe, you can have two screwballs.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

that's what I've been told more than once

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

At once.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

Depending on who the newbies are, I could see Pink Narcissus getting some votes (like, 3).

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yay artistically defensible gay wankery!

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^ summer gay thread title

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

Who thinks about art in the summer?

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

have you such contempt for yourself?

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

always

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Until the rainbow burns the stars out in the sky
Until the ocean covers every mountain high
Until the dolphin flies and parrots live at sea
Until we dream of life and life becomes a dream
Until the day is night and night becomes the day
Until the trees and seas just up and fly away
Until the day that 8x8x8 is 4
Until the day that is the day that are no more
Until the day the earth starts turning right to left
Until the earth just for the sun denies itself
Until dear Mother Nature says her work is through
Until the day that you are me and I am you

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^ summer gay thread title

Considering my top two can't-wait-to-see movies this summer are Magic Mike and Step Up Revolution, it's got my vote.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

where does "defensible" fit in w/ Step Up Revolution?

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ask yourself, Occupy Film Threads.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

To what degree are you guys just making lists that you like to look at? Like, Eric, do you really think Showgirls is better than other films by some of the directors on your list, like Tokyo Story or Werckmeister Harmonies or whatev? Not to pick on you personally but I wonder about how much of these lists involve some gamesmanship or eclecticism.

Not that I don't love Showgirls ...

― polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

I am for real with Showgirls.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tho I understand the impulse to ask. Conversely, I want to ask people who list Raging Bull, 8 1/2, Battleship Potemkin and Seven Samurai if they're making a conscious choice to have boring taste.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

those genuinely are my 10 favorite films! tho if i were actually voting in the S&S poll i'd prob replace one of the bergmans with something else just for the hell of it.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tho I understand the impulse to ask. Conversely, I want to ask people who list Raging Bull, 8 1/2, Battleship Potemkin and Seven Samurai if they're making a conscious choice to have boring taste.

yeah, that too. i love 'rules of the game' and 'vertigo' but no one needs another xerox of roger ebert's top 10 list.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't think I would ever put Battleship Potemkin and Seven Samurai in a top 10 though I think they are both "great" -- and I'm not sure how "boring" enters into it, anymore than "asinine" necessarily does with something written by Joe Eszterhas -- but some films are canonical whether you like them or not.

also WTF Seven Samurai is less boring then every comic-book hero film ever made.

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^^^

― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Whatever, you will all bow down before the superiority of my taste.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

I might list Potemkin if I was making a conscious attempt (as opposed to my unconscious attempt above) to make a list of 10 great gay movies.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sight and Sound is asking for "best", which is obviously a can of worms, but a lot of critics seem to be voting for films that are historically significant or formally innovative, whereas others are just voting for their favorites. I'm not really sure what the value of a poll is if the voters are not using the some criterion for their selections.

Anyway, my list would be 1. Shawshank Redemption, 2. The Fountain ....

― polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

What's gay about it -- sailors complaining about bad food?

xp

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp the "same" criterion

― polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

I have less interest in Kurosawa's samurai shit the older I get, i.e. less embarrassment admitting they bore me. I prefer the crime dramas/noir.

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

If pressed, I'm sure I could write a few thousand words about why Showgirls is one of the greatest movies about/embodying "the dream factory." And did.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

So why did you dock it half a star?

― polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

Actually, I think that would be the movie I'm most equipped to defend on my list next to Chainsaw. Selling Narcissus would be a tougher sell. I suppose if it would make more people comfortable, swap that one out in your mind for Cocteau or something.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

So why did you dock it half a star?

You mistake my methodology. Every time I watch that movie, I add stars to its rating. Right now, it's sitting at something like 73 and a half stars.

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

any time i try to make a list like this it becomes somewhat biographical (ie, maybe even narcissistic) but you want to balance that with a pretense to "objectivity."

So Seven Samurai appears because I got that first Criterion DVD in college and it was one of the first japanese films I ever saw and it put me in touch with a sense of film history that i didnt have before. and it was long and in black and white and I loved it anyway. it's a touchstone for me.

on the other hand there are other movies from that era of my life that don't hold up--too much of their time perhaps, they dont speak of anything beyond that moment. that one does, so on the list it goes.

― ryan, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

impossible to be "objective" and discuss personal tastes

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink