GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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and Zosia Mamet being the insane polar opposite of her Mad Men character continues to throw me.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 04:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

This show is so fucking good

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 30 April 2012 04:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i am kind of loving it. i lol'ed a number of times tonight.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 04:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

going to bookmark this thread now that the initial froth of concern has abated

raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 30 April 2012 05:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

concern froth is the second-worst kind of froth

Simon H., Monday, 30 April 2012 07:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

"in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 April 2012 12:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was some great tv

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

from the quiddities thread for those that don't read it:
http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/witnessing-a-change-in-williamsburg-brooklyn/

"in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

reading that kind of thing makes me needlessly frustrated, but doesn't everyone deserve their own elegy? i don't know why this particular one should tick me off.

Mordy, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

renewed.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm a little surprised by how much I agree with Gawker's take. Although I think the show (like Tiny Furniture) is well-made and shows Lena Dunham to be talented both as a director and as a chronicler of a very particular milieu, I'm undecided as to whether it is a show by or about narcissistic and deeply-regressive Girls (or whether it's both). And also undecided if my finding this to be a vaguely unpleasant show filled with repellent characters is just an M.P.

O Aquaman (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 30 April 2012 20:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

whoa, if anyone's even close to truly narcissistic on the show, so far it's the guys

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 20:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh, I don't mean to single the girls out. Almost everyone on the show is repellently narcissistic. And to the extent that they aren't, they're painted as kinda douchey for, I guess, not having their heads planted squarely up their own assholes.

O Aquaman (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 30 April 2012 20:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

self-involved is one thing, and a lot of people in their teens and twenties are just that. narcissistic is an unfunny, kind of scary mental condition.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 20:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

hate that gawker style

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

the friendship between the girls, especially marnie and hannah, is enough of a positive connective tissue to balance out the occasional strays into ridiculous, self-involved horeshit that they might take.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 20:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

i gotta say, apropos of nothing - a lot of ppl in their teens and twenties, esp in this 'milieu' are self-involved. but tons of them aren't! i don't know what the prevalence or lack thereof of self-involved narcissists in any given community has to do with anything.

Mordy, Monday, 30 April 2012 20:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's true. actually i don't find anyone here except jessa to be really self-involved. i mean, within the confines of a tv show.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

the friendship between the girls, especially marnie and hannah, is enough of a positive connective tissue to balance out the occasional strays into ridiculous, self-involved horeshit that they might take.

So many of the descriptins of Girls remind me of Cassavetes' Husbands.

caro's johnson (Eazy), Monday, 30 April 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

The show is just too good for me to care that I should hate it.

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 30 April 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah. It's actually funny!

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

TBF, I'm not saying it's a bad show or that the milieu is unworthy of depiction or that characters have to be heroic/likeable/empathetic/giving. I'll probably keep watching for a little while, if only to see whether there's anything resembling growth among the characters or if it's just gonna be wallowing in painful awkwardness and bad decisions unsympathetic characters like its a scenester Gummo. Like, there is an extent to which it's hard to watch inasmuch as it reminds me of my (past) self and crowds I ran in, and to that extent, this would mark the first time that I totally get why some people can't watch comedy based on awkwardness and discomfort. But then OTOH, the extent to which this is in any way an accurate depiction of young, single heteros today is the extent to which I'm willing to voluntarily retreat from the dating pool altogether.

O Aquaman (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

This show is funny and beautiful and very ambivalent toward its characters, the neverending shitstream it's been getting in critical circles is baffling to me. Lena Dunham ranks very highly among the people in my generation I am most impressed with right now. Forgive me if that's a little too close to 'voice of a generation' in earnest, but w/e, I think she's a genius.

sleepingbag, Monday, 30 April 2012 22:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think ambivalent is almost it, though the word that has come to mind for me is patient

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

the neverending shitstream it's been getting in critical circles is baffling to me.

i think the clue is in the title.

ep 3 not as funny as ep 2, but still really charming and smart.

Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

and hannah to me is a privileged and intellectually, if not emotionally, impressive character - i mean, her twitter feed - serious lols. to me there are as many things to dislike about her as there are to like. and that's just people imo.
xp

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

and that reflects a lot about what this show is saying about friendship, i.e., you can love your friends and really like a lot of who they are and what they do, but you can also not like everything about them and still be great friends

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

her twitter feed - serious lols.

THIS. worthy of a pause.

Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

the neverending shitstream it's been getting in critical circles is baffling to me.

i think the clue is in the title.

OTM -- even more true of the criterion fandork response to them releasing 'tiny furniture.'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

wait "Baggage" is a REAL SHOW?

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

omg it is! the comedy writes itself, etc

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 22:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

great ep; this is progressing well and is starting to investigate things that kind of matter? I'm getting invested in the characters.

"in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 April 2012 23:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Forgive me if that's a little too close to 'voice of a generation' in earnest, but w/e, I think she's a genius.

― sleepingbag, Monday, April 30, 2012 6:35 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

After 3 eps of Girls happy to call Lena Dunham the voice of my generation. Better her than say Mark Zuckerberg.

raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 30 April 2012 23:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

"my best dyke friend works for a dick doctor"

holy wtf

mh, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

also sorry for the play-by-play thingy a day late, but
I thought the under-25s all got the vaccine or something. Do I have Jenny McCarthy to blame for this plot device?

mh, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hannah'd have been out of high school by the time Gardasil rolled out and started getting required by many public school districts. Quite easy to believe that she'd not have gotten it if she hasn't gotten a physical in a while.

raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't know that it was required by public schools! I just know a lot of women who got it. I mean, uh, the vaccine. HPV too, I guess.

OK I got to the scene where it's revealed "oh yeah Jessa (sp?) has like two strains"

mh, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Lena Dunham ranks very highly among the people in my generation I am most impressed with right now.

Clearly we have determined your generation has pervasive issues, then.

I kid, I kid. (I don't kid.) No, really. I kid.

Has there been a more or less definitive portrait of Gen Y yet? I've heard all the horror stories (parents calling bosses at work, over-praised/coddled/priviliged kids unable to cut it in a competitive world, etc.), so maybe it's just a matter of filmmakers (like Dunham?) getting old enough to make movies about their formative experiences, displaced the Gen X default that us fogies impose. Even the so-called mumblecore folks are really mid-30s Gen X age, no?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also, is "Kicking and Screaming" the ur-mumblecore movie? A kind of post-college purgatory comedy?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Gen Y can't get jobs where they get to make definitive portraits of themselves yet dude.

raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

there are a lot of Gen X movies of aimless 20-somethings but they're not quite mumblecore imo

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's a different kind of aimless 20-somethings, though, isn't it? Isn't one of the traits of Gen Y that they've been coddled their entire life (everyone's a winner, everyone gets praised, etc.). and are thus not really prepared for the real world? Gen X was more a neurotic, angsty"I came from a broken home, soul destroying suburb, I just want to be me" sort of vibe. Gen Y is almost the opposite, an over-amplified sense of self-worth encouraged by over-attentive parents with money. Not angsty, just aimless.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Nobody I know except me is remotely like this btw ^^^^ mostly I just know anxious people

raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess the main reason I tooootally don't get the whole "voice of my generation" thing is that her generation isn't my generation. Which I guess marks the point where I are officially getting old.

O Aquaman (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think she has a distinctive voice, but i hope she isn't the voice of my generation. "Gen Y is almost the opposite, an over-amplified sense of self-worth encouraged by over-attentive parents with money." this is the picture of Gen Y that has been pushed by a media largely controlled by the Baby Boomers. i think there are a lot of fine traits re Gen Y that just haven't yet gotten broad amplification yet. the 'self-absorbed, vacuous, privileged, coddled' critique is just cultural filicide.

Mordy, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dude, my wife has a proper job, in an office and shit, and she's told me stories of parents of new, young hires calling in with questions and concerns. I don't think any generation can be, er, generalized, but some of these traits are real, and can certainly be identified in society at large. It's a generation that began with graduation celebrations at kindergarten, came of age at the peak of the US economy, and are now idle and/or aimless due to a confluence of factors, economic, social or otherwise. They have a lot going for them, too, though.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

There are also a lot more of them. By the time I graduated college, there were literally twice as many kids in high school as there were when I was in high school.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 01:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

When a generation is young, they are pilloried for their unique quirks. Older generations find their aesthetics grotesque, their politics lamentable, they are young and immature. Later, when that generation controls everything, they valorize their own identity - they position their shared historical milestones at the center of culture and life. You wanna see what's awesome about Gen Y'ers? Wait until 2035 when the echo boomers are everything + everywhere.

Mordy, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 01:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also, wtf kind of parents would call their kid's bosses? That's so much weirder than being the kid whose parents don't understand boundaries.

Mordy, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 01:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

meanwhile, gawker's contribution:

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 01:13 (2 years ago) Permalink


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