--- that there somehow has to be a distancing between creator and work, that there must be some objective artistic principle adhered to, and worst of all to me, I feel there is an implication that phenomenological accounts are artistically void.
I don't think I can see these things in Capote's line.If anything the 'banging it out' sounds more like what he was saying. But then, I am not quite sure what he was saying.
I once wanted to reuse this line, in a different context, namely re the late alcoholic BRENDAN BEHAN -- cos he didn't write the work, just dictated it and someone else typed it. I think I was going to say that in print until PJ MILLER told me not to cos it was not nice to alcoholics.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 29 April 2012 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Gore Vee-dal: "Every time a friend succeeds, I die a little."
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:49 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Sunday, 29 April 2012 15:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
"hey how about instead you eat my ass you clueless cum bubble"- churchill― J0rdan S., Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:05 AM
- churchill
― J0rdan S., Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:05 AM
needs context - the reply to his wife asking him to pass the salt
― am0n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 15:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
auto-zing:
Bob Monkhouse: "When I said I was going to become a comedian, they all laughed. Well, they're not laughing now."
― estela, Sunday, 29 April 2012 15:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
lot of amazing zing scholarship itt... not
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 15:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
That one hurts.
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 April 2012 15:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
PWN
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 16:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
One last (promise) thought on the Capote line: it's funnier when you hear it in his voice.
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 April 2012 16:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
having made it to page 2 of On the Road, I'm with him.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 April 2012 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
From a letter from Groucho Marx to S. J. Perelman: "From the moment I picked up your book until I put it down, I was convulsed with laughter. Some day I intend reading it."
― flopson, Sunday, 29 April 2012 16:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
literary zings are usually a lil too on the nose almost as if some lonely person fuming w/professional jealousy puzzled over them in a room until they got it just right
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 16:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
paraphrasing wilde ^
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Sunday, 29 April 2012 16:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have nothing to declare but my klout score
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
in one of the late marx bros. movie there's a bit where chico is taking a photo and says to groucho 'just look at me and pretend to laugh'
'i've been doing that for thirty years'
― thomp, Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
which i presume was scripted but i like to believe it wasn't, you know.
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re: capote: the immediate context is kerouac's claim/lie that he wrote he wrote OTR in one three-day binge, i believe
― thomp, Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
of whom was it that gore vidal said: "a writer's writer, in much the same way a butler is sometimes called a gentleman's gentleman"? still laughing at that one tbh
― thomp, Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah Capote was basically saying, possibly inaccurately, that Kerouac just shat it out without putting much thought or craft into it.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
sigh
― thomp, Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
Gore Vidal's essays consist of three dozen zings strung together.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp - i think it would be more accurately analysed down to "I distrust the veracity of Kerouac's claim that he wrote it in three days and, anyway, if so, this would not impact its literary value, and certainly would not impress its value upon me, as Kerouac seems to think it would"
by this point the fun of it is sort of dead, though
― thomp, Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well, that's pretty much what I was saying. And I disagree that working in that way is necessarily detrimental to good art - hence my defence of phenomenological writing. Obviously, not all art created in such a way will be good, but to suggest that it is simply not writing is fallacious.
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― emil.y, Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is confusing way of thinking to me
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
great zing lawyers throughout history
― dayo, Sunday, 29 April 2012 17:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
worth posting, for those who haven't seen: http://billanddavescocktailhour.com/the-churchill-wit/
― s.clover, Sunday, 29 April 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like Gore Vidal's famous one from just after Norman Mailer had decked him - "as usual, words fail him".
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Sunday, 29 April 2012 18:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
i will never understand 'too on the nose' as a criticism
'this thing is as it should be, only, too much so'
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 29 April 2012 18:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe because thats not what it means
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
i do believe its possible that you will some day understand it tho
"If all the girls who attended the Yale prom were laid end to end, I wouldn't be a bit surprised."
i've seen this quote with "vassar" instead of "the yale prom" elsewhere
― madame boo berry (donna rouge), Sunday, 29 April 2012 18:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
lagoon's criticism is basically "oh yeah mr. witty person, with yr stinkin' wit, there, and your BOOKS? well I bet you have ~no social life~ lol"
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 29 April 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
― s.clover, Sunday, April 29, 2012 2:00 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
lol
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 29 April 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, April 29, 2012 3:47 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is a v poor reading!
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 19:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's a v. poor reading... LOUSY BOOKS
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 29 April 2012 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i thought he was just saying that 'zings' are more a product of real time communication (IRL conversation, internet etc) than written correspondence or literature
― some dude, Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
that and a lot of them are just 'i throw yr book out the window!' oohhhh
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
like why is nabokov pretending faulkner is some sort of horrible writer, he mad
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
i demand veracity in my zings
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think it's a little short-sighted to not acknowledge that there was a huge gulf of culture and context between capote and kerouac or nabakov and faulkner, just because they're all in the canon now doesn't mean one guy was a moron for not loving another, let them have their salty putdowns
― some dude, Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh they can have them
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
to be sure most literary greats were often lonely guys sitting in rooms fuming with professional jealousy, it just seems silly to knock them for that like every other zinger in this thread was a super confident rock star
― some dude, Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have nothing against lonely guys in rooms but the desk gangster routine is just kinda tiresome when its so clearly motivated by professional competition, i mean there are some quality zings iit but a lot of them just dont land imho
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyway ive clearly become that which i most despise re my initial zing scholar post, everyone plz post the zings
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
you're putting a little too much effort into summarizing ilx there bro
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― some dude, Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
meta thread grubbing
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Brummell after being snubbed by the Prince Regent : "Lol, Alvanley, who's your fat friend?"
― Sébastien, Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
zingin baout things
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have nothing against lonely guys in rooms but the desk gangster routine is just kinda tiresome when its so clearly motivated by professional competition
don't overlook the pleasure of unmitigated malice though.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
icey otm to the extent that some of these literary zings are excessively artificed, lapidary to a fault but more like a studied reduction of bile than bile itself
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
and when it's just some deskbound bpd case like capote or a pinchfaced cocksucker like martin amis then it's just so much imaginary soirée squabbling bereft of the timing and event of the real thing
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Pinchfaced cocksucker" is for Amis a compliment.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:53 (1 year ago) Permalink