The Miracle of the Smiths

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the one that shot john lennon, i meant.

alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

I know, sorry :-(

StanM, Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know that you knew, so that's ok ;-)

alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I appreciate the bands that reunite every once in a while but don't tour, like zep.

Ccr hasn't reunited yet, but could. Same with husker du, but they're far less likely than Smiths.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 28 April 2012 22:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

still baffled that the so called Complete box set is missing not only 5 of the original non album single tracks but that there is STILL after 3 decades no complete BBC/ Peel session stuff available. it's the 21st century, The Smiths are regarded as the 2nd best UK band since The Beatles yet there's a Smiths *Peel session* of How Soon Is Now that isn't on CD. i mean.. words fail me.

piscesx, Saturday, 28 April 2012 23:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

What are the 5 tracks?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 29 April 2012 01:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wonderful Woman
Work Is A Four Letter Word
Jeanne
I Keep Mine Hidden
The Draize Train

plus if one wanted a *complete* catalogue in the box you really ought to have the Kervorkian 'New York Mix' of This Charming Man, the live James cover of What's The World (from the B side of the CD EP of I Started Something..) and the alt version of Accept Yourself.

piscesx, Sunday, 29 April 2012 07:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Jeane", "Wonderful Woman", and the NY "This Charming Man" are on the deluxe The Sound Of The Smiths, along with "You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby" at its original speed.

Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 29 April 2012 07:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

indeed. remastered too. makes the exclusion even more baffling.

piscesx, Sunday, 29 April 2012 09:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

the only things I possibly do not know from this are

alt 'accept yourself'
Peel 'how soon is now?' - I don't think I had any idea that existed.

but I have feeling there might be one or two other Peel tracks?

once you start including live tracks, well how about
the very early 'handsome devil'
the late 'some girls are bigger than others' with alt lyrics
the Oxford Road Show tracks from 'that joke'

and what was it they contributed to that NME tape in 1985 ... was it just a live take of 'nowhere fast' or something?

the pinefox, Sunday, 29 April 2012 09:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

According to Discogs they didn't contribute to an NME tape but a live version of 'What She Said ' featured on a 7" EP which was given away with poll winners issue.

fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Sunday, 29 April 2012 09:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Peel session versions of London and Half A Person are better than the studio versions, and (as far as I know) are unreleased.

Ian Edmond, Sunday, 29 April 2012 11:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah the Peel London *flattens* the original and that's unreleased. the Nowhere Fast BBC sesh is also killer
there's a pretty neat summing up of all the Jensen/ Peel sessions, which ones were released and the differences between them on the Hatful.. Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatful_of_Hollow

there was also this if we're getting *mega* completist re sessions; the Sandie Shaw BBC sesh of Jeanne and I Don't Owe You Anythng which i don't even think i've ever heard
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1408587/a/Cool+About+You%3A+Bbc+Sessions.htm
amazing that somehow *that* is on CD and some Smiths ones aren't.

piscesx, Sunday, 29 April 2012 12:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Has anyone ever found anything much to redeem 'Never Nad No-One Ever'?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dods, yes, I have that 7-inch - it also has a U2 'Wire' remix

the pinefox, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's best to think of it as a parody of a Smiths song. xp

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's a highly enjoyable prime slab of desperate melodrama served with just a hint of stalkery horseradish

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but sequenced right after the similarly paced (and far superior) "I Know It's Over," it really stops that album dead in its tracks.

buh, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's starts again when you flip it over ;)

although i don't like cemetry gates much either. actually considering what a formative record this was for me there are rather a lot of songs that i dislike.

jed_, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Never Had No One Ever is not really a song, it's basically a vamp. Its position immediately after I Know It's Over is usually considered a sequencing mistake, but I think it's probably deliberate - the similarity of keys and tempos mean I hear it as I Know It's Over's looser, offhand coda. In this way, it has the same function as the similarly paced (and similarly placed) ending to Death of a Disco Dancer on Strangeways. I enjoy myself listening to it, but I am easily pleased by this kind of thing (I could listen to someone going between Am and Dm all day).

While I'm here, I want to mention another good Smiths site that I haven't seen mentioned here; Smiths on Guitar. Here is the page for Never Had No One Ever. For some songs, the site has little more than the chords scanned from the sheet music, but for others it has some fascinating videos and quotes.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 08:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

reunion is GO! .. allegedly.

first heard this from a pretty reliable source some months back, raised a quizzical eyebrow. seems like it could be on the cards after all (no Mike Joyce though).

piscesx, Monday, 1 October 2012 15:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

hmmm...

There was a Rockpalast show broadcast on SkyArts recently but I watched skinny young ,orrissey dancing like a fawn in front of his admiring audience and thought to myself, he's not that guy anymore.

Johnny is still Johnny, sure.

but.

Mark G, Monday, 1 October 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

no mike joyce no creditbility

gesange der yuengling (crüt), Monday, 1 October 2012 17:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

54321 til morrissey denies all this?

tylerw, Monday, 1 October 2012 19:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

really hope they don't do it

farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 October 2012 19:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hope not either. I don't like the idea of reunions, especially this one because it is solely motivated by money.

controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Monday, 1 October 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

feel like if morrissey was actually desperate for $$$$ he'd do a "morrissey sings the smiths" tour w/o any of them before he'd do a reunion. could be wrong!

tylerw, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

funny that it is like the holy grail of reunions. is anyone offering a bazillion dollars to talking heads to reunite?

tylerw, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't see how morrissey could possibly be hurting for money though?

farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

if the smiths reunite i would sell my firstborn child to go see the show. not even joking

heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp i dunno, maybe he invested heavy in some really sketchy vegan smoothie stands and lost it all?

tylerw, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

"leafy, succulents and gruel"

goole, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

(i got the quote wrong! shit)

goole, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's been so much animosity on all sides I don't really see a good reason for them to reunite aside from money. Morrissey & Marr had always been vehement against the idea of a reunion until now. I could be wrong, but I don't understand the sudden change of heart.

controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Stone Roses were at each other's throats for years prior so i guess it could mean they could still.. forgive and forget.
although finding it hard to imagine a Smiths-y equivalent of this photo

piscesx, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Isn't/Wasn't the Roses tour kind of a clusterfuck, though?

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

After a reunion by The Police, I'm not ruling anything out. However, I don't see what possible good could come of a Smiths reunion either for the band themselves or the fans.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

something about the smiths still feels special because they never did a reunion. i'd hate for them to muck up the purity of their brief almost-perfect career just because morrissey and marr decide they can tolerate each other long enough to make a few extra bucks.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't want them to reunite because the last thing they did before they broke up sucks super hard and directly informed the direction Morrissey went with his solo career; no one wants to here Strangeways-ified versions of TQID songs

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

mm i'd wager Pink Floyd doing it means anyone can, although Moz's "The Smiths will end in murder" soundbite from around the mid 00's always kinda raised the bar for hateful
'it won't happen' band quotes.

interestingly the final time Joyce and Rourke played with Moz (at the one-off Wolves Civic Hall gig in 88) they were suing him *already*.

piscesx, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

'strangeways' is amazing! their second-best after 'TQID.'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

no it isnt

Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hasn't Marr been getting less and less interesting since the first electronic album though? I'd be more worried about them thrashing through stuff that was never meant to be thrashed; turning every song into 'London'.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, nothing I've heard by Marr post-Smiths even resembles Smiths-era Marr. Even if he just got up there and accompanied Morrissey Boz Boorer-style, it wouldn't be as good as Boz.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually if they "London"-ified everything I'd be interested but I assume they'd actually "Girlfriend In A Coma"-fy everything

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Boz Boorer has the best name

Ismael Klata, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'll never understand ppl hating on strageways. it's good!

goole, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was about to say I feel like I've been arguing with DJP for 10 years about the merits of Strangeways, but then I remembered that's because I have.

Alba, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

strangeways is incredible wtffff also admittedly it's my least favorite smiths record. still a classic tho

heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:34 (2 years ago) Permalink


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