Mad Men on AMC • Fifth Season Thread

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isn't this the same argument everyone else is having about Girls and race?

I think there are merits on both sides. I don't expect all entertainment to answer to all needs of every segment of society. But sometimes I expect more, too. It's odd that Star Trek: TOS managed to be integrated and not make a big deal out of it, I guess since it wasn't saddled with having to exist in the real world of its time.

akm, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

uh TOS made a VERY BIG DEAL out of it. First interracial kiss etc

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

see also: "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield", numerous references to 20th century racism (Nazi planet, "Space Seed", etc.)

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

This idealized version of Mad Men that you are all describing sounds absolutely terrible.

Darin, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was agreeing with contenderizer's statement that "the problem is that the show doesn't devote much time to the day-to-day advertising work that sustains the company".

contenderizer only meant this was a problem in the context of evaluating how well Peggy (and others) actually are at their jobs, not that it was a problem in terms of the show itself. which I thought he made clear.

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

er well = good

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm curious as to what the "idealized version" of Mad Men anyone is describing is.

Melissa W, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Peggy is black and owns and insurance company that solves advertising-related crimes every week

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

roger sterling plays the janitor, who barfs at inappropriate moments

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

carries a bucket of sawdust.

jed_, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

well, i assume an idealized version involves the show taking on issues of race and people of colour in a more head-on manner as well as dealing with a more successful female copywriter character to better reflect a specific part of reality. nothing wrong with wanting that, mind. though i'd imagine you'd hope they did it in a more entertaining fashion that weiner and his writing staff.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

To me 'idealized' as a pejorative though implies that I want the show to be American Dreams or something that is generally softer and kinder to the time period. Which couldn't be further from what I want.

Melissa W, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

my impressions is we were discussing "idealized" in the sense of what version of the show would most satisfy you.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

I guess I'd like to know why that "sounds terrible" then.

Melissa W, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'd keep Roger barfing if it helps.

Melissa W, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't think it sounds terrible, though it would most definitely be a minefield that could get very terrible, very quickly.

It's not this show, though.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

can't believe nobody's pulled up that roger barfing gif yet btw.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

is there anything on this show that ISN'T an anigif

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah but barfing was og iirc

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

with the weird dance everyone was was doing in the background

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

what interests me is seeing the characters talk through ad campaigns, have a moment of inspiration, pitch the campaign, run the campaign.

while this is fine - most campaigns don't go this smoothly. insert after "pitch the campaign", "get shot down by client, come up with even more inspired concept, get shot down, present a safe, uninspired pile, run campaign."

which is more similar to what we were seeing with those fucking beans!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

it seems the AMC series "The Pitch" is gonna scratch that itch

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

well, i live that, so... :S

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

not heard of the Pitch tho, will check 'er out.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's not started yet. They just had a preview episode on a few weeks back. Reality series about ad agencies (or teams of ad men or whatever) pitching.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Saturday, 28 April 2012 00:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's no fun if it's real
i want good scripting

"in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 April 2012 16:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

"the two of us in the same room, looking at each other every once in a while"

johnny crunch, Monday, 30 April 2012 02:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

would hang out with sally draper and roger sterling

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 30 April 2012 02:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

lmao at homegirl pretending to like fish rite there

arsenio and old ma$e (m bison), Monday, 30 April 2012 02:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

this ep owns

arsenio and old ma$e (m bison), Monday, 30 April 2012 02:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hope all these Twin Peaks homages (at least in terms of casting) lead to something...

ryan, Monday, 30 April 2012 02:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

loljewham

Grimy Little Pimp (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

smh @ roger

who all was on twin peaks?

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol'd p hard @ 'interesting bowls' in the heinz pitch

johnny crunch, Monday, 30 April 2012 03:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ken's dad & the girl Don strangled a few eps back

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was happy to see creepy Glen! Telling her to check out the Loving Spoonful! Answering the phone naked, with his winter coat on!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

I love creepy Glen!

"How's the city?"
"Dirty."

Johnny Fever, Monday, 30 April 2012 03:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh that's the weird kid from the suburbs? i didn't realize that. hahaha

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

what was megan's original ambition? to act?

supreme sundae (reddening), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

never really been revealed

Grimy Little Pimp (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes "acting" but that's probably a metaphor or some shit

Grimy Little Pimp (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

pls let it be "lead québécois uprising"

arsenio and old ma$e (m bison), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

goddamn autocorrect actually helping me look fancy

arsenio and old ma$e (m bison), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

She moved to ny to act.

dan selzer, Monday, 30 April 2012 03:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Great episode. Tableau at the end of the awards dinner was awesome.

s.clover, Monday, 30 April 2012 03:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just realized that was Julia Ormond.

LaMonte, Monday, 30 April 2012 04:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

!!!

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 04:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

when megan first explains her idea for the heinz thing she really acts like peggy (in season 1)

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 30 April 2012 04:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

I couldn't get a read on how Megan felt during Peggy's congratulations. It sort of felt like "uh, thanks."

Johnny Fever, Monday, 30 April 2012 04:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

I figured it was her feeling a little unsure how to take it, as though maybe she felt semi-guilty for accomplishing something via Don even if it really was all her. Maybe I'm just reading into her dad's speech though.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 04:33 (1 year ago) Permalink


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