Mad Men on AMC • Fifth Season Thread

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I'm not sure I know what you mean at all...? I hate formulaic procedural dramas, especially legal/cop ones (for all kinds of reasons), the idea that Mad Men would be better off being some kind of topical puzzle show strikes me as bizarre.

I'm not really interested in ad presentations themselves. they're only interesting on Mad Men because of what they reflect about the characters involved.

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

I feel like the real strength of MM is that it avoids either a "weekly puzzle," a "social commentary" approach, or a history-based Forrest Gump style boomer narcissism. the show seems totally unwilling to congratulate its viewers for their progressiveness (imo).

Instead, I think the most compelling thing about the show are the little burst of absolute weirdness (Roger barfing is my fav example, it almost seems surreal the way its staged and shot.)

ryan, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

Maybe the show should be about an accounting firm. x-post

Melissa W, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

agree with ryan. it's an amalgam of all those things but it routinely frustrates their respective conventions. and the weird stuff - roger barfing, the lawnmower crippling, the LSD trip, dream sequences and flashbacks - are part of a lineage that comes from Twin Peaks via the Sopranos.

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

just like to pop in to say "roger barfing" was literally the moment i knew i was gonna keep with the show.

circa1916, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

I wish they'd mine the advertising angle a bit more, but it's a worthwhile undercurrent to have through the show. It's kind of the running joke that these people are trying to read people to sell stuff when they have such a difficulty reading themselves, and that they can ignore the larger world while attempting to understand it to create a fictional, simplistic idea of it to sell products.

Also advertising is about as disgusting a line of business as there is, so that's always there.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp @ Shakey, I was agreeing with contenderizer's statement that "the problem is that the show doesn't devote much time to the day-to-day advertising work that sustains the company".

What interested me most about the show isn't Betty's State of Mind or the Continuing Adventures of Joan... what interests me is seeing the characters talk through ad campaigns, have a moment of inspiration, pitch the campaign, run the campaign.

I mentioned SH and L&O b/c both are character-oriented shows that have "work" at their core. Not b/c I think Mad Men ought to follow a weekly formula.

poxen, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

TBH of all Melissa's criticisms the 'it's really boring and I hate all the character' one is the one I relate most to because I've found that about things everyone else was head-over-heels about in the past. The other arguments feel like her criticising it for not being something it's not trying to be, and I think the writers have valid reasons for not trying.

Peggy and Don's relationship is totally antagonistic but at the same time is kinda the way things work in real work environments - employee does all the work, boss puts a bit of dressing on it and gets all the credit, employee gets disgruntled. It's kinda parallel to Pete/Roger, except that you know Don actually respects Peggy in some way and Roger is genuinely useless whereas Don actually contributes something. And Peggy is less of an entitled dick than Pete.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

isn't this the same argument everyone else is having about Girls and race?

I think there are merits on both sides. I don't expect all entertainment to answer to all needs of every segment of society. But sometimes I expect more, too. It's odd that Star Trek: TOS managed to be integrated and not make a big deal out of it, I guess since it wasn't saddled with having to exist in the real world of its time.

akm, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

uh TOS made a VERY BIG DEAL out of it. First interracial kiss etc

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

see also: "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield", numerous references to 20th century racism (Nazi planet, "Space Seed", etc.)

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

This idealized version of Mad Men that you are all describing sounds absolutely terrible.

Darin, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was agreeing with contenderizer's statement that "the problem is that the show doesn't devote much time to the day-to-day advertising work that sustains the company".

contenderizer only meant this was a problem in the context of evaluating how well Peggy (and others) actually are at their jobs, not that it was a problem in terms of the show itself. which I thought he made clear.

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

er well = good

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm curious as to what the "idealized version" of Mad Men anyone is describing is.

Melissa W, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Peggy is black and owns and insurance company that solves advertising-related crimes every week

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

roger sterling plays the janitor, who barfs at inappropriate moments

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

carries a bucket of sawdust.

jed_, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

well, i assume an idealized version involves the show taking on issues of race and people of colour in a more head-on manner as well as dealing with a more successful female copywriter character to better reflect a specific part of reality. nothing wrong with wanting that, mind. though i'd imagine you'd hope they did it in a more entertaining fashion that weiner and his writing staff.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

To me 'idealized' as a pejorative though implies that I want the show to be American Dreams or something that is generally softer and kinder to the time period. Which couldn't be further from what I want.

Melissa W, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

my impressions is we were discussing "idealized" in the sense of what version of the show would most satisfy you.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

I guess I'd like to know why that "sounds terrible" then.

Melissa W, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'd keep Roger barfing if it helps.

Melissa W, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't think it sounds terrible, though it would most definitely be a minefield that could get very terrible, very quickly.

It's not this show, though.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

can't believe nobody's pulled up that roger barfing gif yet btw.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

is there anything on this show that ISN'T an anigif

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah but barfing was og iirc

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

with the weird dance everyone was was doing in the background

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

what interests me is seeing the characters talk through ad campaigns, have a moment of inspiration, pitch the campaign, run the campaign.

while this is fine - most campaigns don't go this smoothly. insert after "pitch the campaign", "get shot down by client, come up with even more inspired concept, get shot down, present a safe, uninspired pile, run campaign."

which is more similar to what we were seeing with those fucking beans!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

it seems the AMC series "The Pitch" is gonna scratch that itch

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

well, i live that, so... :S

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

not heard of the Pitch tho, will check 'er out.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's not started yet. They just had a preview episode on a few weeks back. Reality series about ad agencies (or teams of ad men or whatever) pitching.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Saturday, 28 April 2012 00:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's no fun if it's real
i want good scripting

"in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 April 2012 16:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

"the two of us in the same room, looking at each other every once in a while"

johnny crunch, Monday, 30 April 2012 02:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

would hang out with sally draper and roger sterling

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 30 April 2012 02:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

lmao at homegirl pretending to like fish rite there

arsenio and old ma$e (m bison), Monday, 30 April 2012 02:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

this ep owns

arsenio and old ma$e (m bison), Monday, 30 April 2012 02:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hope all these Twin Peaks homages (at least in terms of casting) lead to something...

ryan, Monday, 30 April 2012 02:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

loljewham

Grimy Little Pimp (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

smh @ roger

who all was on twin peaks?

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol'd p hard @ 'interesting bowls' in the heinz pitch

johnny crunch, Monday, 30 April 2012 03:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ken's dad & the girl Don strangled a few eps back

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was happy to see creepy Glen! Telling her to check out the Loving Spoonful! Answering the phone naked, with his winter coat on!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

I love creepy Glen!

"How's the city?"
"Dirty."

Johnny Fever, Monday, 30 April 2012 03:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh that's the weird kid from the suburbs? i didn't realize that. hahaha

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

what was megan's original ambition? to act?

supreme sundae (reddening), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

never really been revealed

Grimy Little Pimp (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes "acting" but that's probably a metaphor or some shit

Grimy Little Pimp (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

pls let it be "lead québécois uprising"

arsenio and old ma$e (m bison), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:29 (1 year ago) Permalink


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