Bin Laden Dead?

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saying that the US will likely resemble the USSR in 40 (10?) years does not mean it will be "Communist,"

USSR didn't have corporations so um no

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's just such an outlier though - warrantless wiretapping and arrest is scary because it can happen to anybody and on a large scale. teams of navy seals busting down our doors or drone strikes on us citizens not so much

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think OBL getting whacked is actually the point here - the secrecy on something like this, something so popular around the world that it was celebrated, is representative of the Obama White House's general hostility to openness and furtherance of Bush-era civil liberties abuses

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

"compromising secret systems and techniques used by the CIA and the military" - gee, can't believe phrases like this get a strict civil libertarian like GG het up

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

by any definition "right wing" denotes embrace of property, tradition, and at its cleverest an appropriation of leftist discourse to hide reactionary tendencies (e.g. Reagan quoting Thomas Paine again and again). The USSR um didn't do any of this.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think OBL getting whacked is actually the point here - the secrecy on something like this, something so popular around the world that it was celebrated, is representative of the Obama White House's general hostility to openness and furtherance of Bush-era civil liberties abuses

otm

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

corporations are our Central Committee, Shakes

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

well again what are they being secretive about in this particular case...? seems like tons of details leaked

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

don't we have more important things to be doing, like clamoring for the release of j edgar's fbi files?

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Last August, The New Yorker published what it purported to be a comprehensive account of the raid, based on mostly anonymous White House claims, that made Barack Obama look like a mix of Superman, Rambo and Clint Eastwood

why does GG have to do this? he has to add his extra layer of sweaty bullshit to everything. yes, the NYer account read like an airport novel, yes, it was thinly and anonymously sourced, but it made Barack Obama look like a dude in an office saying "ok let's do it". it had a boner for the SEALs, sure.

goole, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe the obl stash will be unsealed in 50 years like the JFK file

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

ah the "sooooo not important" card

xxp

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's an entire Greenwald column linked here about what's they're being secretive about, and 2/3 of it isn't actually on OBL

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, the late great's look here is worse than Morbs'

Dismissing concerns about the security state with a handwave and a WHOOOOO CARES is a half-step from "if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about"

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm not saying that. i'm just saying i'm a lot more troubled by things like knowing the criteria for airport watch lists or what exactly people in fuantanamo are charged with than knowing the details of the obl raid

fight the real enemy etc

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

On March 14th, Obama called his national-security advisers into the White House Situation Room and reviewed a spreadsheet listing possible courses of action against the Abbottabad compound. Most were variations of either a JSOC raid or an airstrike. Some versions included coöperating with the Pakistani military; some did not. Obama decided against informing or working with Pakistan. “There was a real lack of confidence that the Pakistanis could keep this secret for more than a nanosecond,” a senior adviser to the President told me. At the end of the meeting, Obama instructed McRaven to proceed with planning the raid.

superman, rambo and clint must've been having a pretty slow week when the NYer decided to base its portrayal of obama on them.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

"I trust Obama not to use the powers he just signed into law (in spite of neverending evidence), and surely they will be repealed before a Mormon dog-roofer possesses them."

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

morbs, your goal-post shifting, unwillingness to engage with those engaging with you, obtuseness, etc is legendary but today's apparently a banner day.

Clay, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

o i c

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh idk, there's a lot about the BL raid that's nasty, and while i'm wearily jaded about its use politically, that's pretty nasty too.

goole, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am sure glad killing OBL at least put an end to all that airport security Terror Theatre, I'll give ya that!

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

t/f: extralegal black hits are bad but if anyone on earth deserved one it's osama bin laden

the trouble is the capability to do the thing doesn't exist in a vacuum; OBL might have been 'exceptional' as a person but the act of killing him turns out not to be

goole, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

tbh it said more about the state of things re: Pakistan/US than anything

mh, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

you know pre-9/11 i had an opportunity to work at lawrence livermore national lab on a naval oceanography environmental remediation project that was yanked because they didn't think it was worth the effort to try to get a security clearance for a nationalized citizen who was born in iran

where was the aclu on that day is what i wanna know

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

uh...

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

true story! (joeks bruv)

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

:(

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man did i just kill the thread??

:-(

the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

nah

The fact is, OBL was in a sovereign nation that is nominally an ally, but an absolutely unreliable and often hostile one. That also meant that taking the legal path, by formally sharing info with the Pakistani government, obtaining its permission and planning a joint operation, with OBL taken into their custody until extradition could be arranged, was more or less a doomed option. Once legality is taken off the table, it is entirely off the table.

Aimless, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

My reaction to the whole thing is still kind of mouth-hanging-open awe in that it was "Hey, sorry Pakistan but we found Osama hiding in your country so we sent an elite kill squad in. Uh, what is up with him being in your country anyway? Kind of weird, hope you don't mind. Love, US"

mh, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

viva

am0n, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Bin Laden is the new Titanic

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Unless they somehow tagged the body or container with a locator beacon or something, no one is ever finding that.

mh, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 21:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Brian Williams, on bended knee in the Situation Room.

http://www.salon.com/2012/05/03/nbc_news_top_hagiographer/

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

RIP

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

Conspiracy theorists just got a new tank of high-octane...

Newly released emails say no sailors watched bin Laden’s burial at sea after Navy SEAL raid

WASHINGTON — Internal emails among U.S. military officers indicate that no sailors watched Osama bin Laden’s burial at sea from the USS Carl Vinson and traditional Islamic procedures were followed during the ceremony.

The emails, obtained by The Associated Press through the Freedom of Information Act, are heavily blacked out, but are the first public disclosure of government information about the al-Qaida leader’s death. The emails were released Wednesday by the Defense Department.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 23 November 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313?click=pp

guy has no healthcare

goole, Monday, 11 February 2013 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

isn't that against the law now

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 11 February 2013 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

read the memo, Shakey Mo.

Aimless, Monday, 11 February 2013 18:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

I meant not having healthcare. somebody tax that guy!

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 11 February 2013 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

Government don't care shocker!

not_goodwin, Monday, 11 February 2013 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Government don't health care shocker!

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 February 2013 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

shakey otm

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 20:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Conspiracy thoughts: this guy sold his story to Hollywood (a breach of govt contract) and so the govt says "peace, good luck".

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink


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