also i think i've picked up a lot of purposeful non-investment in the tone of their music writing, which again is prob not "important" but kinda gets at me
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
long thread but important
bill simmons IS bill simmons IN the book of BASKETBALL
― am0n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
also here's his sports version of "adele_plump_female_musicians_sex.php"
― am0n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
also also worst thread title ban NYCNative
― am0n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Charles P. Pierce's articles are good (because he's a good writer who hopefully is getting paid wheelbarrows of cash by ESPN to slum)Jonah Keri's 'The 30' weekly baseball round-up is also good
you could set the rest of the blog on fire, the wonder and amazement they have at the audacity of covering omg reality tv is fucking horrible
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh also barnwell on football is solid
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
Simmons idolizing Malcolm Gladwell probably tells the uninitiated everything they need to know.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
pretty much agree with the general consensus on this thread that the pop culture stuff is mostly bad, but the sports writing has occasional gems. i really liked colson whitehead on the poker tournament, and i enjoy the wrestling pieces though admittedly i know nothing at all about wrestling.
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
pretty much off topic except that it's sports writing, but i read this recently and it is pretty much the best piece of non-fiction i've ever read about poker:http://www.amazon.com/Positively-Fifth-Street-Murderers-Cheetahs/dp/0374236488
i highly recommend
― Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 18:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah that's considered a classic. i think i have it at my parents house somewhere
― dharunravir (k3vin k.), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
also it sorta seems like aside from tv recaps they're aiming for "you're a 45 year old trying to retain coolness, here's all the stuff you missed today that other people have been flogging for the last six hours"
Somehow this description of it made me realize I am OK with being in Grantland's target demo. And realizing that me passive-aggressively saying I'm OK with that means I've been there for years already.
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess I didn't really know this was Jonah Keri's outlet now.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
Grantland is brimming with NBA playoff excitement. You may have already noticed.
― you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 27 April 2012 21:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is the only thing i've seen on grantland worth reading
― am0n, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
Grantland is great for me because it allows me to a) catch up with cable shows that I can't be bothered downloading but get bought up in polite conversation amongst hipster circles in my part of the world and b) sometimes read some non-retarded writing about North American sport.
― Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
all of their articles are too long
― polyphonic, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is one of the best non-specialist pieces abt stan lee i've ever read:
― pat rice memorial barbecue (Ward Fowler), Friday, 11 May 2012 13:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
the Greg Oden piece is really good and IMO exactly the sort of thing this site *should* be doing
― frogbs, Friday, 11 May 2012 13:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like this site, even though I find Simmons really annoying, unless he is talking about any team in the NBA except the Celtics.
Charles Pierce is excellent.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 11 May 2012 14:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
imo the site has like a 40/60 hit/miss ratio which really isn't all that bad. i do think they've assembled a pretty good stable of writers. the pop culture stuff seems to be kinda bland but it's not offensive which is probably half the battle.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 11 May 2012 14:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
They are at least trying to be relatively intelligent. Most of ESPN content, on all of its platforms, is written/produced by morons, for morons, so to see at least an attempt at being smart is somewhat refreshing.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 11 May 2012 14:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's certainly better than it was! the character pieces are definitely good, especially the Amarillo Slim one
― frogbs, Friday, 11 May 2012 14:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
i really wish this wasn't the kind of thing molly lambert wrote for grantland:
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
What is an example of something she has written that isn't a complete waste of time.
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like her stuff from thisrecording.com:
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
would much rather read about sweet celeb gossip than some stupid bullshit about telephone poles
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
i find the celeb gossip stuff really boring and i don't even get that she's doing anything interesting w/ it? idk, celeb gossip is maybe a cultural blind spot for me and maybe there are grantland readers that are like, "thank god molly lambert is finally breaking down gossip in a compelling + vital way, this was much more important than when she was writing critical theory about gender identity." seems like a waste to me.
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
mordy totally otm grantland wastes the great molly lambert :(
― horseshoe, Friday, 5 October 2012 01:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like gossip a lot but i don't get that feature
all the hyperlinks in her thisrecording pieces drive me up the wall, because im incapable of preventing myself from hovering each one and evaluating if its worth opening in a new tab. i hate it!!!
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 5 October 2012 02:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha. i still read grantland, i like that there's a writer powerful and popular enough that a mega corporation would give him an entire website and staff just to keep him happy. as far as simmons toys go it's no 30 for 30 but i do appreciate that it does have some interest in longform stuff, that it's clearly guided by someone who's interested in some idea of 'good writing' as opposed to standard seo stuff. nobody w/ any familiarity w/ simmons can be surprised by the gap between it's sports coverage vs it's pop culture coverage - model for sports coverage is the national and golden age si, model for pop coverage is vulture. he's a guy who's seen almost famous a million times (and will let you know) but has little to no interest in actually reading lester bangs. feel like stuff like the lambert tabloid thing is simmons pandering to some idea of what he imagines his wife wants to read or providing cover for his sorta odd interest in stuff like reality tv, celeb gossip, etc.
― balls, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah that feels about right
― call all destroyer, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
grantland is a blackhole
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
at the beginning of grantland she wrote more sustained celeb gossip type pieces, like a "normal" version of her stuff for thisrecording. i remember liking the one about jennifer aniston. i just don't get the almost-copying-pages-of-us-weekly-verbatim new-style lambert columns. they're unreadable!
― horseshoe, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
yah they're pretty useless
― call all destroyer, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
she doesnt tweet v much anymore either
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
i miss you, molly!
― horseshoe, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe she's working on a book? i hope so!
― horseshoe, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
i would even read a whole book about goddamn mad men that she's so obsessed with.
― horseshoe, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
i would read that book
― call all destroyer, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
they have both a good baseball writer (Jonah Keri) and a good football one (Bill Barnwell), plus every once in a while there's a neat podcast (like the Obama one), it's not exactly a great website but I kinda dig it now
― frogbs, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
okay they got Norm MacDonald writing for them now, I'm officially a fan
We were trying to come up with New Year’s resolutions. Adam, sober now for over a year but nonetheless still somewhat interesting, said, “Hey, do New Year’s resolutions always have to be good for you?” The thought had never occurred to me. It’d be a helluva lot easier to stick with a New Year's resolution if your resolution was to become a big fat guy, right?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:42 (11 months ago) Permalink
The physical Grantland books themselves are beautiful.
― sandwich shortage (Eazy), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:46 (11 months ago) Permalink
― Mordy, Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:58 (10 months ago) Permalink
the Grantland 64 song best of the millenium thus far bracket is.....kinda depressing? maybe of sociological interest?
Tenative conclusions: white guys from 35-45 are overinvested in thinking Jay and Kanye are still in their prime.....
8 remaining songs look to be:
Rolling, Maybe, Paris, Empire, Paper, Ignition, Yeah!, Hey Ya!
― Swag Heathen (theStalePrince), Monday, 26 August 2013 19:03 (3 months ago) Permalink
kanye is still in his prime
― Treeship, Monday, 26 August 2013 19:05 (3 months ago) Permalink
i voted paper but brightside seems to be winning atm
― Mordy , Monday, 26 August 2013 19:06 (3 months ago) Permalink
thought it was pretty funny how they just c+p'ed p4k's best of the decade list
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 27 August 2013 05:52 (3 months ago) Permalink
― Treeship, Monday, August 26, 2013 12:05 PM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah in the same way that Kobe is.
― I’m pissed off for greatness (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 06:00 (3 months ago) Permalink
― Mordy , Wednesday, 28 August 2013 23:51 (3 months ago) Permalink
No ILX discussion of FiveThirtyEight/Nate Silver going to ESPN for a Grantland style multi-author site?First piece is hosted on Grantland.http://www.grantland.com/fivethirtyeight/story/_/id/9802433/nate-silver-us-government-shutdown
Kinda curious where this is headed - ESPN doing politics? Bring together all the stat nerds from around the sports spectrum (even though they don't work nearly as well in other sports as in baseball)?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 11 October 2013 04:59 (2 months ago) Permalink
re: Grantland itself, now that you can safely ignore Bill Simmons content and Klosterman/Carles write rarely if ever, it's gotten to be pretty awesome, missteps like the song poll aside (and that was clearly Simmons exerting himself, right?).
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 11 October 2013 05:01 (2 months ago) Permalink
it was discussed somewhere, i'm not sure where. he was on the bs report shortly after it was announced and it sounded like he has pretty ambitious plans w/ grantland the definite model. sounds like the times was not a happy fit and w/ the stuff coming out about krugman lately i'd say it's safe to say there's a culture of cluelessness there. there was some spec that he was moving more towards tv and he confirmed he'll do things for abc news re: politics and for olbermann re: sports but from the podcast it sounded like that was a very minor thing, that it definitely wasn't why he left. i think those pop culture polls are more a vestige of vulture being a template for the site than any push by simmons (doubt he'd heard half the songs on that poll tbh).
― balls, Friday, 11 October 2013 05:13 (2 months ago) Permalink
American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA
didn't really say anything particularly interesting tho
― mookieproof, Friday, 11 October 2013 06:05 (2 months ago) Permalink
yeah there's a couple of posts back in july, but they don't say much interesting either (for some reason morbs thinks he's only going to be writing about baseball now, which uh isn't the case). some stuff here - http://deadspin.com/espns-nate-silver-is-here-to-answer-your-questions-951328525
― balls, Friday, 11 October 2013 06:27 (2 months ago) Permalink