I dig Grantland a lot...

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i sub to the rss feed but sorry to say have found it pretty mediocre. best stuff is when klosterman is writing about football imho, worst is when he's writing about anything else. also really disliking bissel's content there. i think simmons is pretty coasty (but that's always been his thing). idk, the series on betting has been pretty decent. mostly not so great. (plus i hate that 'manly pop culture aficionado' tone that leads to pieces like humblebrag roundup etc.)

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:26 (four years ago) Permalink

basically what Mordy says. I think that Bill Barnwell and Jonah Keri are both good (I've been following Keri for a while) and they do have some surprisingly good stuff at random (the "Dinner with Aziz Asnari" was incredible, as was the Obama podcast), but otherwise the site tries really hard to cop Deadspin while appealing to a really broad audience which equals a lot of really bad jokes and piss-poor writing. I still like Simmons on the NBA but Klosterfuck can get hit by a bus for all I care

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:31 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah i mainly just read it for simmons and pruitti on NBA and jonah keri on baseball. i read mediocre middlebrow cultural criticism in plenty of other places

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:36 (four years ago) Permalink

it's kinda fratboy slate

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:38 (four years ago) Permalink

i would prob never read it except for so many sports sites being blocked by my work other than this

yes to jonah keri & usu molly lambert. almost everything else is p bad. i never even click on anything written by klosterman

plus i hate that 'manly pop culture aficionado' tone

^v otm

johnny crunch, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:40 (four years ago) Permalink

I read it fairly often during Oscar time. Mark Harris is terrific.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:40 (four years ago) Permalink

plus i hate that 'manly pop culture aficionado' tone

like Esquire and GQ?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:40 (four years ago) Permalink

ultimately I think the site would be a great idea with anyone *other* than Bill Simmons at the helm

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:43 (four years ago) Permalink

without question xp

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:43 (four years ago) Permalink

what is the point of this website even

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:44 (four years ago) Permalink

i may be going out on a limb here but i'm going to guess its point is to make money?

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:46 (four years ago) Permalink

it inspires ILM threads

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:46 (four years ago) Permalink

xp to alfred nah it's way different imo. 'manly' not in the sense of content but like 'i know the right bro references/confidently pay attn to the right stuff' and also try to rank them all in lists and categories

johnny crunch, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:46 (four years ago) Permalink

Esquire and GQ do it with clothes though!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:46 (four years ago) Permalink

"Here's the right pair of socks to worry about without being a fag about it (not that there's anything wrong with it j/k lol" is the GQ tone.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:47 (four years ago) Permalink

i think there are slight tone differences between GQ, Esquire and Grantland, but i think they're all coming from a similar place

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:48 (four years ago) Permalink

I read it fairly often during Oscar time. Mark Harris is terrific.

This. Harris is my favorite Oscar blogger.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:50 (four years ago) Permalink

grantland doesnt seem to have any editorial mission other than lets make something cool which inevitably turns out not that cool

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:51 (four years ago) Permalink

I do love sabby pruti nerding out on basketball plays tho

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:51 (four years ago) Permalink

its p funny how they just keep hiring everyone in the world(blogs)

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:52 (four years ago) Permalink

simmons is sometimes good on the nba sometimes incoherent always v schticky, i like molly lambert tho I havent read her that much at grantland idk why

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:00 (four years ago) Permalink

grantland is a dumb name and grantland rice was a horrible monster

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:01 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah my familiarity with this site is minimal but the whole look of it and the name and everything, it seems almost deliberately bland, kind of surprised it is seemingly fairly successful. i guess they just hire traffic-driving types like carles?

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:03 (four years ago) Permalink

well it's backed by ESPN and has a number of famous writers on it

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:10 (four years ago) Permalink

bill simmons is the most popular sports writer in the country is prob the main hook

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:11 (four years ago) Permalink

linked to all the time by espn prob doesnt hurt

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:12 (four years ago) Permalink

oh ok it's a sports thing

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:12 (four years ago) Permalink

i thoguht it was just doing a worse job of being gawker-lite than the awl or something

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:13 (four years ago) Permalink

its jarring to see ESPN.com have taglines like "Chuck Klostermann just came home from seeing Creed and Nickelback...on the same night!? *turntable scratch*

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:13 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah i imagine the pop culture stuff is a fractional part of their traffic

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:14 (four years ago) Permalink

lol the OP of this thread

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 16:15 (four years ago) Permalink

grantland........ i still read simmons religiously and chris ryan's EPL stuff is great, and keri is pretty good tho i think he made more sense on fangraphs

the pop culture stuff, i'm not quite sure if they've really found their voice yet, tho i recognize that the target audience is still, like, two decades older than me

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 16:16 (four years ago) Permalink

i feel like their target audience is *grasps blindly at straws, lights money on fire*

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:18 (four years ago) Permalink

also they seem at the backend of the news cycle on a lot of pop culture stuff, but i'm not sure how important that is -- also it sorta seems like aside from tv recaps they're aiming for "you're a 45 year old trying to retain coolness, here's all the stuff you missed today that other people have been flogging for the last six hours"

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 16:18 (four years ago) Permalink

which i'm sure there's a market for... just not for me

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 16:18 (four years ago) Permalink

there's a pretty cutting edge piece on their front page right now about how nicki minaj's "starships" is newsflash not a good song

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:19 (four years ago) Permalink

also i think i've picked up a lot of purposeful non-investment in the tone of their music writing, which again is prob not "important" but kinda gets at me

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 16:20 (four years ago) Permalink

long thread but important

bill simmons IS bill simmons IN the book of BASKETBALL

am0n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:25 (four years ago) Permalink

also here's his sports version of "adele_plump_female_musicians_sex.php"

http://deadspin.com/5878436/tennis-players-bill-simmons-would-do-another-classic-from-the-secret-sports-guy-vault

am0n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:29 (four years ago) Permalink

also also worst thread title ban NYCNative

am0n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:31 (four years ago) Permalink

Charles P. Pierce's articles are good (because he's a good writer who hopefully is getting paid wheelbarrows of cash by ESPN to slum)
Jonah Keri's 'The 30' weekly baseball round-up is also good

you could set the rest of the blog on fire, the wonder and amazement they have at the audacity of covering omg reality tv is fucking horrible

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:03 (four years ago) Permalink

oh also barnwell on football is solid

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 18:05 (four years ago) Permalink

Simmons idolizing Malcolm Gladwell probably tells the uninitiated everything they need to know.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:08 (four years ago) Permalink

pretty much agree with the general consensus on this thread that the pop culture stuff is mostly bad, but the sports writing has occasional gems. i really liked colson whitehead on the poker tournament, and i enjoy the wrestling pieces though admittedly i know nothing at all about wrestling.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:12 (four years ago) Permalink

pretty much off topic except that it's sports writing, but i read this recently and it is pretty much the best piece of non-fiction i've ever read about poker:
http://www.amazon.com/Positively-Fifth-Street-Murderers-Cheetahs/dp/0374236488

i highly recommend

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 18:20 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah that's considered a classic. i think i have it at my parents house somewhere

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:22 (four years ago) Permalink

also it sorta seems like aside from tv recaps they're aiming for "you're a 45 year old trying to retain coolness, here's all the stuff you missed today that other people have been flogging for the last six hours"

Somehow this description of it made me realize I am OK with being in Grantland's target demo. And realizing that me passive-aggressively saying I'm OK with that means I've been there for years already.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:23 (four years ago) Permalink

I guess I didn't really know this was Jonah Keri's outlet now.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Grantland is brimming with NBA playoff excitement. You may have already noticed.

?????

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 27 April 2012 21:00 (four years ago) Permalink

this is the only thing i've seen on grantland worth reading

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7789978/a-racetrack-killing-history-organized-crime-hot-springs-arkansas

am0n, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:05 (four years ago) Permalink

sort of what i suspected was going on

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 20:09 (two years ago) Permalink

thought revive might be for this pos:

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/the-if-i-play-this-rb-singers-music-will-he-help-me-have-sex-chart/

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 20:11 (two years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

http://grantland.com/features/its-not-crazy-its-sports-the-subterranean-stadium/

i watched these errol morris docs on tv last night, they were all pretty good but this one was the best.

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 March 2015 14:57 (one year ago) Permalink

writing a feature at an adult awards festival is so passé but since it's molly lambert doing it i'm willing to make an exception:
http://grantland.com/features/porntopia/

Mordy, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 22:12 (one year ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

sucks for their good writers

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 October 2015 18:26 (one year ago) Permalink

Yep. The Grantland writers on non-sports stuff will need to find other outlets. Some of the sports writers may still survive on ESPN.com

FiveThirtyEight and The Undefeated will survive

curmudgeon, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:12 (one year ago) Permalink

@joe_sheehan
We get the sports media we deserve.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 October 2015 19:36 (one year ago) Permalink

The Dissolve, Grantland ...

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:46 (one year ago) Permalink

oh cool I can shelve the proposal I was going to send!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 October 2015 20:11 (one year ago) Permalink

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 30 October 2015 20:14 (one year ago) Permalink

aw this sucks, I really liked a lot of their non-sports writers (I'm sure their sports writers were good too, I'm just not that into sports). Also enjoyed some of the podcasts.

silverfish, Saturday, 31 October 2015 01:15 (one year ago) Permalink

FiveThirtyEight and The Undefeated will survive

the unkindest cut of sll

resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 2 November 2015 17:16 (one year ago) Permalink

Jalen Rose's NBA stories were the unsung MVPs of Grantland.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 2 November 2015 17:24 (one year ago) Permalink

http://observer.com/2015/11/why-we-should-mourn-and-cheer-grantlands-demise/

I didn't read their film coverage enough to weigh in on this:

Grantland was the epicenter of this cult of the upper-middlebrow. In a well-crafted (if somewhat overwrought) eulogy of Grantland for The New Republic, Alex Shephard and Mark Krotov highlight the site’s Paul Thomas Anderson Week, a multimedia, cross-site event that brought a tremendous amount of firepower to examining the filmmaker in every way imaginable. The event produced a lot of incisive commentary, and with its combination of various media and diversity of lenses, demonstrated the huge potential of web-native publishing. But it’s worth noting that Grantland on PT Anderson was an impossibly perfect combination of subject and venue. Mr. Anderson, an incredibly gifted filmmaker, occupies the upper-middlebrow perfectly, making movies that are labeled “indie” but which are treated like an event by our press, the kind of movie you usually take in at a specialty cinema but which aren’t impossible to find at the multiplex. Again, this isn’t a critical judgment of Anderson’s work, which is fantastic, but a recognition of a certain sweet spot in our culture industries that signify good taste without inviting accusations of pretension. It’s hard to imagine Grantland devoting a week to Lars von Trier, let alone Wong Kar-Wai

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 November 2015 20:58 (one year ago) Permalink

that's not wrong but lol at evoking two of the safest canonical "highbrow" directors i can think of

call all destroyer, Monday, 2 November 2015 21:05 (one year ago) Permalink

Anderson’s work, which is fantastic

no

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 November 2015 21:06 (one year ago) Permalink

(and I liked the last two)

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 November 2015 21:06 (one year ago) Permalink

lol i've seen several things name checking that pt anderson week, none acknowledging the reason it happened was simmons specifically is a big pt anderson fan.

balls, Monday, 2 November 2015 21:08 (one year ago) Permalink

What a weird complaint.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 2 November 2015 21:10 (one year ago) Permalink

"It’s testament to a phenomenon that’s far broader than Grantland, and for which the site bears little blame: the rise of the sports snob, the guy who just can’t believe that someone could think something so dumb."

I think this dude hasn't hung around a lot of sports fans because this is not a remotely new phenomenon particularly with baseball.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 2 November 2015 21:26 (one year ago) Permalink

zach lowe, on his most recent couple podcasts kept referring to grantland as "a website that still exists" right up until Friday's entry.

fairly certain he's going to land somewhere, his being one of the strongest hoops minds out producing work right now, i just hope it comes soon

INTOXICATING LIQUORS (art), Monday, 2 November 2015 21:30 (one year ago) Permalink

completely disagree with the passage on bill barnwell. barnwell vs received wisdom is where he is valuable. freddie casually switches from talking generally to talking specifically about other football journalism in particular but he is ignoring the high volume churn of tv pregame guys, commentators, talking heads, internet commenters - those are the collective loudest volume opinion on football and they're dense with dumb epigrams and misguided cliches that could do with being dismantled. and he's being generous to the main body of football journalism anyhow; he's misunderstanding his own (apparently limited) experience for universal experience. anyway, it's when barnwell is putting original ideas forward rather than rebutting wrong ones that he stumbles the most.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 2 November 2015 21:50 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm think I'm mostly going to miss Shea Serrano. Like Mike Tanier when he got booted from Sports On Earth, I can't see him landing much of anywhere that he can do what he does best - hip hop, R&B, bad movies and sports, all at the same time - unless maybe he winds up at Deadspin. I could still pretend I'm boggled why Tanier didn't end up at Deadspin except for the fact they already have Magary doing their weekly NFL thing, and Serrano going to Deadspin also seems redundant somehow but maybe not. SBNation, I hope, but then what happens to all the rapper quad charts?

Rembert Browne and Brian Phillips are also really important to me but the idea that they don't end up doing great things somewhere else just seems absurd. Phillips in particular seems like he could anywhere, I just worry that nobody else will ever let him do this:
http://grantland.com/features/sumo-wrestling-tokyo-japan-hakuho-yukio-mishima-novelist-seppuku/

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 01:27 (one year ago) Permalink

On the sports side, I'm curious what Jonah Keri's ESPN reportage will look like. I don't think he's going to slot in well as a hot take artist who can drop in at Mike & Mike.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 01:34 (one year ago) Permalink

I never listened to it, but I loved both Emily Yoshida and Molly Lambert from the "Girls in Hoodies" podcast, and that there was a "Girls in Hoodies" podcast to offset the "Men In Blazers," etc. Yoshida going to The Verge made me sad.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 01:39 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh shit, what's going to happen to Jason Concepcion's "Ask The Maester" weeklies?

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 01:43 (one year ago) Permalink

literally the only 2 articles this site ever ran than were memorable to me were the action bronson one and the gunplay one, maybe also that dude who was so hilariously far off-tm abt true detective season 1

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 01:51 (one year ago) Permalink

basically every grantland writer will get hired to to do exactly what they were doing at grantland, if they want. this will be good for their readers but less good for the writers because only a few of them will be able to make espn money outside of espn. the sports writers will just ported over to big box espn.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 November 2015 01:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Jason Conception must be pissed about cancelling his dothraki classes

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 01:53 (one year ago) Permalink

that freddie post is interesting in its assessment of cultural criticism but it's completely insane to me that while writing about a publication that died because of finances he's unable to connect the economic reality of cultural criticism to what he calls "upper middlebrow" i.e. if a publication that did an entire week's worth of cross-platform content on paul thomas anderson couldn't survive then the last thing that publication needs to do is dedicate those resources to wong kar wai

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 November 2015 01:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah, and neither seems a sound strategy if views and making money is your goal.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 02:02 (one year ago) Permalink

Jordan I wish that was true and I'm on the other side of the business from you so what do I know really, but seriously, the chances Jason Concepcion gets to do all these things: http://grantland.com/contributors/jason-concepcion/ (keep hitting 'more') seem basically nil. The piece where Jason and Rafe Bartholomew went to go witness the Filipino basketball scene together isn't going to happen anywhere else, and I loved that one.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 02:09 (one year ago) Permalink

If you read Grantland for the sports coverage, then yes, many of those writers will probably get to do the same stuff somewhere else, but we're missing them doing any of the other stuff they got to do, which to me was the main draw of the site. I didn't ever care that much for the straight coverage of major league sports, I cared about when they went sideways into unfamiliar territory or got to approach the major sports from angles that only worked in the context of that particular playground.

Again, like Sports on Earth before it got all serious and boring. At least the Dissolve just elected to die quietly instead of turning into a strict review site.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 02:14 (one year ago) Permalink

kind of agree, amidst the middlebrow grantland also ran some pretty offbeat stuff. i wasn't a big reader of their features but was re-reading that weird existential sumo story they did yesterday, not sure where else anyone will get to do that.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 02:43 (one year ago) Permalink

Yup.

IMO, the Brian Phillips travel pieces are about as close to John McPhee's old school best as we get.
One could argue that kind of journalism has been superseded by television expedition stuff like Top Gear specials, Parts Unknown and Dirty Jobs, but only one of those three things is still going and who knows how long Bourdain wants to keep that up. For me, prose always wins out, but now we know it can't ever sell ads like teevee, and that just spells bad news for history.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 04:01 (one year ago) Permalink

fdb is terrible and stupid as usual, his commentary revealing his own anxieties more than any actual truths

But there’s also a profound distrust of any art that’s cast as stuffy, or elitist. Opera, ballet and experimental theater are all routinely derided for their supposed elitism, even as they struggle to merely survive in a brutal financial landscape for the arts.

yes those roving bands on miscreants laughing about opera and ballet heavens.

Not Merzbow, but Chvrches. Not The Paris Review, but The Atlantic.

who will speak for the paris review i ask you, who who.

I’ve found his work difficult to enjoy, for a simple reason: essentially everything he writes is written against some other opinion or attitude.

physician, heal thy etc

Grantland writers looked out from the very center of trendy, hip, knowing opinion and spoke as if they were speaking from the margins.

did i just say "physician" already? crap

In the era of the Internet, our opinions often feel like what we are, like we have no self aside from our opinions. And what better way to define a self than by contrasting it with all the selves it’s not?

yep, more of the same. dude can't read the back of a cereal box without somehow feeling like its putting him on the spot for not fitting in with its cultural construction of individual consumptive desire or something.

big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 04:45 (one year ago) Permalink

http://observer.com/2015/11/why-we-should-mourn-and-cheer-grantlands-demise/

I didn't read their film coverage enough to weigh in on this:

Grantland was the epicenter of this cult of the upper-middlebrow. In a well-crafted (if somewhat overwrought) eulogy of Grantland for The New Republic, Alex Shephard and Mark Krotov highlight the site’s Paul Thomas Anderson Week, a multimedia, cross-site event that brought a tremendous amount of firepower to examining the filmmaker in every way imaginable. The event produced a lot of incisive commentary, and with its combination of various media and diversity of lenses, demonstrated the huge potential of web-native publishing. But it’s worth noting that Grantland on PT Anderson was an impossibly perfect combination of subject and venue. Mr. Anderson, an incredibly gifted filmmaker, occupies the upper-middlebrow perfectly, making movies that are labeled “indie” but which are treated like an event by our press, the kind of movie you usually take in at a specialty cinema but which aren’t impossible to find at the multiplex. Again, this isn’t a critical judgment of Anderson’s work, which is fantastic, but a recognition of a certain sweet spot in our culture industries that signify good taste without inviting accusations of pretension. It’s hard to imagine Grantland devoting a week to Lars von Trier, let alone Wong Kar-Wai

― curmudgeon, Monday, November 2, 2015 3:58 PM (7 hours ago)

grantland was pure middlebrow, like probably exactly what dwight mcdonald had in mind when he used the term

k3vin k., Tuesday, 3 November 2015 05:02 (one year ago) Permalink

Yes those Charlie Pierce and Wesley Morris pieces were pure middlebrow

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 05:06 (one year ago) Permalink

The sports blogger Tom Hitchner wrote recently about the tendency of sports commentators to find random, dumb, uninfluential opinions to dispute, even when those opinions are held by almost no one, simply to represent themselves as the wiser and cooler party. Too often, writers at Grantland played into this tendency, engaging in verbal eye-rolling about the idiocy of those who might disagree with them rather than just making their case.

I think this is OTM about a broader trend but I wouldn't pin it on Grantland. I feel like Freddie is very sharp on how online discourse works but I always have to filter out his various tedious bugbears about popular culture.

impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 09:42 (one year ago) Permalink

@BenLindbergh
Haven't told my parents about Grantland, because 1)I like that someone still thinks it exists and 2)I'm testing how irregularly they read me

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 15:42 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-second-coming-mtv-news/

not sure if we have a beefs thread for this but the breathless praise for grantland at the start of this piece just reminds me how weird it is that there were grantland readers who actually thought the non-sports stuff was the good part of grantland

k3vin k., Saturday, 3 December 2016 22:33 (five days ago) Permalink

wes morris was actually good, rembert was fun. i would actually occasionally read it whereas now the only non-sports stuff i'll even look at on the ringer is serrano or concepcion in funny blogpost about some hbo show mode, every other non-sports writer i react to the sight of their byline the way i did to steve hyden's on grantland. the sports writing isn't as good at the ringer either though it's fine enough, i still check in. i think in a weird way the ringer misses a jonathan abrams than a lowe or barnwell; like they're still doing something like the analysis lowe and barnwell brought but the really solid features abrams could turn out they don't really even seem to attempt. even if #longform doesn't generate the clicks and was responsible for the worst moment grantland had, it's still the kind of brand building thing that can give a patina of 'quality' that can make ppl think they're smart to love/read a sight even if they really go there to find out what character on game of thrones j.r. smith is. it is kinda funny that the sports writers i really enjoyed at grantland stayed at espn and the ones i kinda loathed ended up at si.

balls, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:05 (four days ago) Permalink

I very much miss the Grantland versions of Rembert, Brian Phillips, Emily Yoshida and Molly Lambert.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 December 2016 06:16 (four days ago) Permalink

<3 katie bakes but it seems like a struggle

mookieproof, Sunday, 4 December 2016 06:23 (four days ago) Permalink

how weird it is that there were grantland readers who actually thought the non-sports stuff was the good part of grantland

yeah sorry folks but the fact that ppl read this stuff makes me think they live in an alternative dimension where there are 48 hours in a day or something

a but (brimstead), Sunday, 4 December 2016 19:33 (four days ago) Permalink

got what a shitty hypocritical post. sorry

a but (brimstead), Sunday, 4 December 2016 19:34 (four days ago) Permalink

not sure if we have a beefs thread for this but the breathless praise for grantland at the start of this piece just reminds me how weird it is that there were grantland readers who actually thought the non-sports stuff was the good part of grantland

― k3vin k.,

I read Morris and Mark Harris all the time.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 December 2016 19:36 (four days ago) Permalink


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