I dig Grantland a lot...

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i sub to the rss feed but sorry to say have found it pretty mediocre. best stuff is when klosterman is writing about football imho, worst is when he's writing about anything else. also really disliking bissel's content there. i think simmons is pretty coasty (but that's always been his thing). idk, the series on betting has been pretty decent. mostly not so great. (plus i hate that 'manly pop culture aficionado' tone that leads to pieces like humblebrag roundup etc.)

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

basically what Mordy says. I think that Bill Barnwell and Jonah Keri are both good (I've been following Keri for a while) and they do have some surprisingly good stuff at random (the "Dinner with Aziz Asnari" was incredible, as was the Obama podcast), but otherwise the site tries really hard to cop Deadspin while appealing to a really broad audience which equals a lot of really bad jokes and piss-poor writing. I still like Simmons on the NBA but Klosterfuck can get hit by a bus for all I care

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i mainly just read it for simmons and pruitti on NBA and jonah keri on baseball. i read mediocre middlebrow cultural criticism in plenty of other places

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's kinda fratboy slate

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

i would prob never read it except for so many sports sites being blocked by my work other than this

yes to jonah keri & usu molly lambert. almost everything else is p bad. i never even click on anything written by klosterman

plus i hate that 'manly pop culture aficionado' tone

^v otm

johnny crunch, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

I read it fairly often during Oscar time. Mark Harris is terrific.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

plus i hate that 'manly pop culture aficionado' tone

like Esquire and GQ?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

ultimately I think the site would be a great idea with anyone *other* than Bill Simmons at the helm

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

without question xp

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

what is the point of this website even

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

i may be going out on a limb here but i'm going to guess its point is to make money?

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

it inspires ILM threads

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp to alfred nah it's way different imo. 'manly' not in the sense of content but like 'i know the right bro references/confidently pay attn to the right stuff' and also try to rank them all in lists and categories

johnny crunch, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Esquire and GQ do it with clothes though!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Here's the right pair of socks to worry about without being a fag about it (not that there's anything wrong with it j/k lol" is the GQ tone.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think there are slight tone differences between GQ, Esquire and Grantland, but i think they're all coming from a similar place

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I read it fairly often during Oscar time. Mark Harris is terrific.

This. Harris is my favorite Oscar blogger.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Friday, 27 April 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

grantland doesnt seem to have any editorial mission other than lets make something cool which inevitably turns out not that cool

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I do love sabby pruti nerding out on basketball plays tho

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

its p funny how they just keep hiring everyone in the world(blogs)

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 15:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

simmons is sometimes good on the nba sometimes incoherent always v schticky, i like molly lambert tho I havent read her that much at grantland idk why

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

grantland is a dumb name and grantland rice was a horrible monster

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah my familiarity with this site is minimal but the whole look of it and the name and everything, it seems almost deliberately bland, kind of surprised it is seemingly fairly successful. i guess they just hire traffic-driving types like carles?

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

well it's backed by ESPN and has a number of famous writers on it

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

bill simmons is the most popular sports writer in the country is prob the main hook

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

linked to all the time by espn prob doesnt hurt

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh ok it's a sports thing

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

i thoguht it was just doing a worse job of being gawker-lite than the awl or something

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

its jarring to see ESPN.com have taglines like "Chuck Klostermann just came home from seeing Creed and Nickelback...on the same night!? *turntable scratch*

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i imagine the pop culture stuff is a fractional part of their traffic

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol the OP of this thread

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

grantland........ i still read simmons religiously and chris ryan's EPL stuff is great, and keri is pretty good tho i think he made more sense on fangraphs

the pop culture stuff, i'm not quite sure if they've really found their voice yet, tho i recognize that the target audience is still, like, two decades older than me

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 16:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

i feel like their target audience is *grasps blindly at straws, lights money on fire*

lag∞n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

also they seem at the backend of the news cycle on a lot of pop culture stuff, but i'm not sure how important that is -- also it sorta seems like aside from tv recaps they're aiming for "you're a 45 year old trying to retain coolness, here's all the stuff you missed today that other people have been flogging for the last six hours"

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

which i'm sure there's a market for... just not for me

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's a pretty cutting edge piece on their front page right now about how nicki minaj's "starships" is newsflash not a good song

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

also i think i've picked up a lot of purposeful non-investment in the tone of their music writing, which again is prob not "important" but kinda gets at me

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

long thread but important

bill simmons IS bill simmons IN the book of BASKETBALL

am0n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

also here's his sports version of "adele_plump_female_musicians_sex.php"

http://deadspin.com/5878436/tennis-players-bill-simmons-would-do-another-classic-from-the-secret-sports-guy-vault

am0n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

also also worst thread title ban NYCNative

am0n, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Charles P. Pierce's articles are good (because he's a good writer who hopefully is getting paid wheelbarrows of cash by ESPN to slum)
Jonah Keri's 'The 30' weekly baseball round-up is also good

you could set the rest of the blog on fire, the wonder and amazement they have at the audacity of covering omg reality tv is fucking horrible

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh also barnwell on football is solid

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Simmons idolizing Malcolm Gladwell probably tells the uninitiated everything they need to know.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

pretty much agree with the general consensus on this thread that the pop culture stuff is mostly bad, but the sports writing has occasional gems. i really liked colson whitehead on the poker tournament, and i enjoy the wrestling pieces though admittedly i know nothing at all about wrestling.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

pretty much off topic except that it's sports writing, but i read this recently and it is pretty much the best piece of non-fiction i've ever read about poker:
http://www.amazon.com/Positively-Fifth-Street-Murderers-Cheetahs/dp/0374236488

i highly recommend

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 18:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah that's considered a classic. i think i have it at my parents house somewhere

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

also it sorta seems like aside from tv recaps they're aiming for "you're a 45 year old trying to retain coolness, here's all the stuff you missed today that other people have been flogging for the last six hours"

Somehow this description of it made me realize I am OK with being in Grantland's target demo. And realizing that me passive-aggressively saying I'm OK with that means I've been there for years already.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess I didn't really know this was Jonah Keri's outlet now.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Grantland is brimming with NBA playoff excitement. You may have already noticed.

?????

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 27 April 2012 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is the only thing i've seen on grantland worth reading

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7789978/a-racetrack-killing-history-organized-crime-hot-springs-arkansas

am0n, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Grantland is great for me because it allows me to a) catch up with cable shows that I can't be bothered downloading but get bought up in polite conversation amongst hipster circles in my part of the world and b) sometimes read some non-retarded writing about North American sport.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

all of their articles are too long

polyphonic, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is one of the best non-specialist pieces abt stan lee i've ever read:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7906504/the-surprisingly-complicated-legacy-marvel-comics-legend-stan-lee

pat rice memorial barbecue (Ward Fowler), Friday, 11 May 2012 13:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

the Greg Oden piece is really good and IMO exactly the sort of thing this site *should* be doing

frogbs, Friday, 11 May 2012 13:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like this site, even though I find Simmons really annoying, unless he is talking about any team in the NBA except the Celtics.

Charles Pierce is excellent.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 11 May 2012 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

imo the site has like a 40/60 hit/miss ratio which really isn't all that bad. i do think they've assembled a pretty good stable of writers. the pop culture stuff seems to be kinda bland but it's not offensive which is probably half the battle.

call all destroyer, Friday, 11 May 2012 14:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

They are at least trying to be relatively intelligent. Most of ESPN content, on all of its platforms, is written/produced by morons, for morons, so to see at least an attempt at being smart is somewhat refreshing.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 11 May 2012 14:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's certainly better than it was! the character pieces are definitely good, especially the Amarillo Slim one

frogbs, Friday, 11 May 2012 14:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

i really wish this wasn't the kind of thing molly lambert wrote for grantland:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/59116/tabloids

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

What is an example of something she has written that isn't a complete waste of time.

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like her stuff from thisrecording.com:

http://thisrecording.com/today/tag/molly-lambert

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 21:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

would much rather read about sweet celeb gossip than some stupid bullshit about telephone poles

turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

i find the celeb gossip stuff really boring and i don't even get that she's doing anything interesting w/ it? idk, celeb gossip is maybe a cultural blind spot for me and maybe there are grantland readers that are like, "thank god molly lambert is finally breaking down gossip in a compelling + vital way, this was much more important than when she was writing critical theory about gender identity." seems like a waste to me.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

mordy totally otm grantland wastes the great molly lambert :(

horseshoe, Friday, 5 October 2012 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like gossip a lot but i don't get that feature

horseshoe, Friday, 5 October 2012 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

all the hyperlinks in her thisrecording pieces drive me up the wall, because im incapable of preventing myself from hovering each one and evaluating if its worth opening in a new tab. i hate it!!!

turds (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 5 October 2012 02:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha. i still read grantland, i like that there's a writer powerful and popular enough that a mega corporation would give him an entire website and staff just to keep him happy. as far as simmons toys go it's no 30 for 30 but i do appreciate that it does have some interest in longform stuff, that it's clearly guided by someone who's interested in some idea of 'good writing' as opposed to standard seo stuff. nobody w/ any familiarity w/ simmons can be surprised by the gap between it's sports coverage vs it's pop culture coverage - model for sports coverage is the national and golden age si, model for pop coverage is vulture. he's a guy who's seen almost famous a million times (and will let you know) but has little to no interest in actually reading lester bangs. feel like stuff like the lambert tabloid thing is simmons pandering to some idea of what he imagines his wife wants to read or providing cover for his sorta odd interest in stuff like reality tv, celeb gossip, etc.

balls, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah that feels about right

call all destroyer, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

grantland is a blackhole

lag∞n, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

at the beginning of grantland she wrote more sustained celeb gossip type pieces, like a "normal" version of her stuff for thisrecording. i remember liking the one about jennifer aniston. i just don't get the almost-copying-pages-of-us-weekly-verbatim new-style lambert columns. they're unreadable!

horseshoe, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah they're pretty useless

call all destroyer, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

she doesnt tweet v much anymore either

lag∞n, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

:(

i miss you, molly!

horseshoe, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe she's working on a book? i hope so!

horseshoe, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

i would even read a whole book about goddamn mad men that she's so obsessed with.

horseshoe, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

i would read that book

call all destroyer, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

they have both a good baseball writer (Jonah Keri) and a good football one (Bill Barnwell), plus every once in a while there's a neat podcast (like the Obama one), it's not exactly a great website but I kinda dig it now

frogbs, Friday, 5 October 2012 02:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

okay they got Norm MacDonald writing for them now, I'm officially a fan

We were trying to come up with New Year’s resolutions. Adam, sober now for over a year but nonetheless still somewhat interesting, said, “Hey, do New Year’s resolutions always have to be good for you?” The thought had never occurred to me. It’d be a helluva lot easier to stick with a New Year's resolution if your resolution was to become a big fat guy, right?

frogbs, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

The physical Grantland books themselves are beautiful.

sandwich shortage (Eazy), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...
6 months pass...

the Grantland 64 song best of the millenium thus far bracket is.....kinda depressing? maybe of sociological interest?

Tenative conclusions: white guys from 35-45 are overinvested in thinking Jay and Kanye are still in their prime.....

8 remaining songs look to be:

Rolling, Maybe, Paris, Empire, Paper, Ignition, Yeah!, Hey Ya!

Swag Heathen (theStalePrince), Monday, 26 August 2013 19:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

kanye is still in his prime

Treeship, Monday, 26 August 2013 19:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

i voted paper but brightside seems to be winning atm

Mordy , Monday, 26 August 2013 19:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

thought it was pretty funny how they just c+p'ed p4k's best of the decade list

k3vin k., Tuesday, 27 August 2013 05:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

kanye is still in his prime

― Treeship, Monday, August 26, 2013 12:05 PM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah in the same way that Kobe is.

I’m pissed off for greatness (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 06:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

No ILX discussion of FiveThirtyEight/Nate Silver going to ESPN for a Grantland style multi-author site?
First piece is hosted on Grantland.
http://www.grantland.com/fivethirtyeight/story/_/id/9802433/nate-silver-us-government-shutdown

Kinda curious where this is headed - ESPN doing politics? Bring together all the stat nerds from around the sports spectrum (even though they don't work nearly as well in other sports as in baseball)?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 11 October 2013 04:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

re: Grantland itself, now that you can safely ignore Bill Simmons content and Klosterman/Carles write rarely if ever, it's gotten to be pretty awesome, missteps like the song poll aside (and that was clearly Simmons exerting himself, right?).

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 11 October 2013 05:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

it was discussed somewhere, i'm not sure where. he was on the bs report shortly after it was announced and it sounded like he has pretty ambitious plans w/ grantland the definite model. sounds like the times was not a happy fit and w/ the stuff coming out about krugman lately i'd say it's safe to say there's a culture of cluelessness there. there was some spec that he was moving more towards tv and he confirmed he'll do things for abc news re: politics and for olbermann re: sports but from the podcast it sounded like that was a very minor thing, that it definitely wasn't why he left. i think those pop culture polls are more a vestige of vulture being a template for the site than any push by simmons (doubt he'd heard half the songs on that poll tbh).

balls, Friday, 11 October 2013 05:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

didn't really say anything particularly interesting tho

mookieproof, Friday, 11 October 2013 06:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah there's a couple of posts back in july, but they don't say much interesting either (for some reason morbs thinks he's only going to be writing about baseball now, which uh isn't the case). some stuff here - http://deadspin.com/espns-nate-silver-is-here-to-answer-your-questions-951328525

balls, Friday, 11 October 2013 06:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

http://deadspin.com/can-jason-whitlock-save-espns-black-grantland-from-hi-1586606960

posted this in the race thread but figure it'd be just as relevant here

k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 June 2014 20:05 (4 months ago) Permalink

sort of what i suspected was going on

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 20:09 (4 months ago) Permalink

thought revive might be for this pos:

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/the-if-i-play-this-rb-singers-music-will-he-help-me-have-sex-chart/

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 20:11 (4 months ago) Permalink


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