I wouldn't say it's a satire, but I do think it's slightly exaggerated for comedy purposes.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
so did the one character kind of "luck out" (urgh) into a miscarriage when she got way nervous about abortion and blew it off to go have shots and try to smash the dude in the bar?
― mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
There were real issues in satc,, just like there are real issues in girls. It's how they're packaged and presented that chafe. Their glimmers of reality are undone by artifice and attitude. Which is why (and the movies don't help) satc lives on as a curious paragon of materialism and little more. Imo. Girls seems to be taking the materialism out of the equation, at least, and I imagine it is more than possible my inability to connect with its immaturity has much to do with my disconnect with that generation. Which I see as navel gazers ad extremum.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
I think I'd agree with that (those are my issues with a lot of mumblecore, actually) if I felt the show as trying to say these are awesome people and look at how cool they are. By not treating it positively, it doesn't become about needing to identify with every aspect of the characters, but rather recognising a certain type of person and exploring their facets. That's one of the BIG reasons why Entourage was terrible and I don't think that criticism works here - at least in the 2 episodes I've seen. If I didn't watch people I didn't identify with or even like, I'd probably watch very little TV and even fewer films.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
satc lives on as a curious paragon of materialism and little more. i know many many people who would beg to differ
i think Girls has a different kind of materialism. i also think that most people under age 30 are navel gazers regardless of what generation they're a part of. being young is ridiculous.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
Prolly right there
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
i know and work with a lot of super smart, motivated young people and i respect them and am amazed by what some of them are doing in their lives, while i also see their ridiculousness and kind of love it, i mean, it's a rite of passage
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
is "mumblecore" the new post-Gen-X version of "slackers"
not the Linklater version necessarily, but the navel-gazing kind of frumpy people who live semi-bohemian lifestyles and while in entry-level or menial jobs while they either pretend to work on some sort of art or spend time drinking coffee and beers while navel-gazing
― mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
yes, though infinitely more self-obsessed.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
I mean most of that explanation fits me, but I'm a bit older now and have some quote-unquote goals and kind of would be tired after being around these girls for too long
― mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
and i'm a fan of the less smart, less motivated young people too. as long as no one's being a hurtful jerk (and there are those in all age groups) i'm cool.xps
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
so mh, you are saying you find these girls... annoying
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
i'm a fair number of years older than these people and I mostly just think "omg you have a one year internship under your belt that shit is like GOLD right now"
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
btw re: british girl "lucking out" - we don't really know yet whether she miscarried or her period was just late. she seemed pretty happy about it at any rate.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
x-post haha yeah some of them. In the way I would chill with them or find some of them attractive but to the point where living in their apartment or crashing there like that one dude would probably drive me insane.
yeah brit girl and one of the others are way cute
― mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
even people who hated everything about sex & the city watched every episode
No we didn't
― kinder, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah you did
― scott seward, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
i hate satc and i've seen almost every episode
― Mordy, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
me too, for a show i "never watched' for some reason every time i see a re-run it's an episode i've already seen
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
I watched a few early episodes, they were fairly different from what it ended up like iirc. Carrie's voiceover where she starts to wonder.... became like nails down a blackboard for me so I have no idea how other people continued watching.
― kinder, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 23:38 (twelve years ago) link
^many of us were held hostage and forced to watch this as a duty.just saying.
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 26 April 2012 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
and i get that it's the best option from a shitty pack. it's still a mostly shitty option. though my main issue is the blatant consumerism and that's more just a personal thing.
I have seen less than one episode of SATC and have no real opinions
― mh, Thursday, 26 April 2012 00:40 (twelve years ago) link
I've hated every second of SATC I've seen but it's been an incredibly small percentage of what aired and what fans of the show claim they find in it makes me happy for them (from a distance).
― da croupier, Thursday, 26 April 2012 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
Kinder otm. I watched the first season and some of the second but have only seen a handful of eps thereafter. I haven't read through the whole thread since this morning but just had to say that not everyone who disliked it still watched. I had p much 0 interest for most of it. Also, I really dislike Oprah.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 26 April 2012 01:37 (twelve years ago) link
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:26 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
R, I assume if she'd gone so far as to schedule an abortion she'd done a pregnancy test and it was confirmed so I doubt it was just late. I mean it could have been but that sort of doesn't make sense to me. I'm not surprised they didn't actually show her getting an abortion. iirc only one TV show ever has because it's still considered too controversial. Shows have talked about it but usually a miscarriage happens before the op ever does (see Party of Five). Maude is the one that actually had a soup to nuts abortion plot line, I think.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 26 April 2012 01:40 (twelve years ago) link
you would think hbo could handle it? i was sorta hoping that might be the taboo breaker the show was committing to. it's something that needs demystification.
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 26 April 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
You would think so! I was pretty pissed when I realized they weren't actually going to have her have the abortion.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 26 April 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
you would think hbo could handle it?
they wouldnt even let one of the hags on s&tc have one!!!
the only shows i can remember where a character had an abortion are everwood (lol) and six feet under. almost no one on tv has abortions
― Lamp, Thursday, 26 April 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
Fast Times at Ridgemont High still ahead of its time.
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Thursday, 26 April 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
I really don't see that HBO or Dunham would have a problem with having an abortion on the show, especially considering how frank and diverse the discussion about it was. Of course, Judd Apatow is a producer, so *CONSPIRACY THEORY* maybe he's continued his pro-life campaign on from Knocked Up!
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Thursday, 26 April 2012 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
Talking and doing are two different things. There are a handful of shows where it's been discussed but very very few where it's actually ever actually preformed. I didn't realize there was one on 6 Feet. Maybe Maude is the only network show that ever had one. Anyway it's rare and though I doubt Dunham has issues with it I wouldn't find it difficult to believe that someone at HBO thought it would be better to have the character miscarry.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 26 April 2012 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
― Lamp, Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:47 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is one of the reasons everwood rules. also degrassi. but the degrassi abortion episode didn't air in the united states!!!
― horseshoe, Thursday, 26 April 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
six feet under does not rule, though
everwood totally had one it was on a broadcast network!! well... the cw. also friday night lights had a really good abortion storyline but the show was on directtv by that season???
haha xp
― Lamp, Thursday, 26 April 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
I've never heard of everwood!
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 26 April 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
it is a show that i am embarrassed about liking but there it is
― horseshoe, Thursday, 26 April 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
this is terribly off topic, but Lamp i am re-watching once and again. i blame you and scott seward.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 26 April 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
tbh I think HBO would be happy with an abortion. It gives them edgy cred, and as they don't give a toss what advertisers think (the driving force in other networks' decisions) they would have let her do whatever they wanted. xposts
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Thursday, 26 April 2012 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
Everwood was totally solid, btw. A really underrated WB/CW soap that lacked the obvious interesting elements that a Buffy or a Gilmore Girls had but managed to be an excellent drama nonetheless.
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Thursday, 26 April 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
x-post I totally don't remember that either though it seems to have aired during a time when I couldn't afford cable and only got Pax christian programming which aired p much only touched by an angel and 7th heaven.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 26 April 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
once and again, I mean
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 26 April 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago) link
once and again is top ten all-time for me. love it 4ever.
friday night lights had an abortion.
― scott seward, Thursday, 26 April 2012 03:01 (twelve years ago) link
she calls it a word alert lmao
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 April 2012 03:02 (twelve years ago) link
oh shit, yeah, FNL. I knew I had seen one on TV in the past few years.
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Thursday, 26 April 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
everwood was the show chris pratt was on
― goole, Thursday, 26 April 2012 05:02 (twelve years ago) link
obviously no one here watches my little pony
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 26 April 2012 05:17 (twelve years ago) link
Their glimmers of reality are undone by artifice and attitude.
no offence or anything but i find it hard to believe someone would say this about a show where the principle characters weren't four women, for whatever reason.
second episode so much sharper and funnier than the pilot, which is how it should be. really love zofia mamet, too.
― Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Thursday, 26 April 2012 09:40 (twelve years ago) link
Imagine someone writing "their glimmers of reality are undone by artifice and attitude" about Entourage.
― da croupier, Thursday, 26 April 2012 12:13 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah. I can't.
― Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Thursday, 26 April 2012 12:33 (twelve years ago) link