Classic or Dud: Chuck Klosterman

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what's the part of it that works

how about the part where you go fuck yourself

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

:0

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

zing!

Mordy, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

klosterman is fine at reporting a story but somewhere along the way he decided that his taste was worth reporting on.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

thats the problem - he seems so afraid to actually draw a hard line anywhere, so you can read 20 pages of the dude writing about music without any real indication of what he actually likes. instead he's just content to use half-baked "think about it, bro" statements like "Steely Dan were more subversive than every punk band combined"

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's basically in line with his general thing of trying to seem smart by equivocating and making unclear statements.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

for the ilxor who has everything

http://www.amazon.com/HYPERtheticals-50-Questions-Insane-Conversations/dp/0307587924

da croupier, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm actually kind of impressed that he commodified his love of inane hypotheticals

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

"The group's weakness is their obsession with transposable power ballads, most of which sound like what would happen if Bob Rock helped Coldplay write a really loud song for Garth Brooks (which would undoubtedly be the most popular song in the history of mankind, were it to literally exist)."

^^i fucking swear he manages to work a Bob Rock reference into every music piece he ever does

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

haha!

tylerw, Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

i don't know what nyt ethicist column is, and maybe ethicist doesn't have anything to do with ethics, but in case it does, klosterman would be my last choice for such a column

Mordy, Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

(not that i'm saying that i think he's unethical, but that until now his shtick seems to be explicitly non-ethical)

Mordy, Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's like an advice column where people write in and are like "i was at a coffee shop and I got up for a second and someone took my seat." and then the ethicist advises them on the appropriate course of action.

tylerw, Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh, in that case i'm sure he'll do great

Mordy, Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

I usually avoid the Ethicist column like the plague - too much portentous solemnizing and faux-certitude - but I'll probably check it out now, just out of curiosity. Maybe Klosterman will be able to deliver his sermons with enough of a wink to lighten the mood.

o. nate, Thursday, 7 June 2012 20:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Best known for his Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs collection" Really? That's his biggest book?

Get wolves (DL), Friday, 8 June 2012 09:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

which other one is more popular?

Mordy, Friday, 8 June 2012 09:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Fargo?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 8 June 2012 10:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

nah. i'm sure this isn't scientific but fargo is #42,378 on amazon, sd&c is #9,032

Mordy, Friday, 8 June 2012 10:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

sd&c was the one seth cohen read.

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 8 June 2012 10:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^^ important influence

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 8 June 2012 13:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Huh, well there you go, can't argue with sales. I always thought Fargo was the one that made his name and then Killing Yourself to Live cemented his rep. Those seem to me like original, substantial books even now, whereas S,D&CP is a hideously titled collection of glib, dated essays. Much prefer the less schticky Klosterman IV - he's underrated as an interviewer. I prefer seeing him do interesting things with a format as unpromising as, say, a Wilco profile for Spin, rather than going the full Klosterman with the kind of flip bullshit that used to fill his Esquire columns (the one about why people hate America being a low). So, um, basically I like him best when he’s not doing the thing that has made him one of the most successful journalists in America.

Get wolves (DL), Friday, 8 June 2012 14:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

S,D&CP is my least favorite of his books (haven't read the fiction) because it indulges in a lot more faux-generational/"we all do this, and if you don't you're a self-hating liberal" bullshit that unfortunately tends to do better than the more openly idiosyncratic essays in his later books and Fargo.

da croupier, Friday, 8 June 2012 14:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

"i'm a weirdo obsessed with a facet of pop culture" just doesn't sell as well as "we are the generation obsessed with a facet of pop culture"

da croupier, Friday, 8 June 2012 14:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

The podcast that Grantland posted yesterday - a conversation between he and Joe Walsh - has so many moments where he disappears up his own ass trying to find a point. But it's Joe Walsh, so it has a certain nutty charm despite Klosterman.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 8 June 2012 14:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

From way upthread

A couple months back they featured Klosterman, and the first book he plugs is Atlas Shrugged

I am shocked that this ambitious, successful, reactionary writer loves Ayn Rand.

Get wolves (DL), Friday, 8 June 2012 14:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

pretty much everything this guy does in public (and in private for all i know) is an unmitigated disaster, so i guess... good luck NYT?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 8 June 2012 15:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

The podcast that Grantland posted yesterday - a conversation between he and Joe Walsh - has so many moments where he disappears up his own ass trying to find a point. But it's Joe Walsh, so it has a certain nutty charm despite Klosterman.

they certainly share "life is good" as a philosophy.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 June 2012 15:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp Should retitle it The Challopsian or What Would Axl Do?

Get wolves (DL), Friday, 8 June 2012 15:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Alfred - they go through that song LINE BY LINE.

"Did you own a Maserati?

Not then, but I do now.

You lost your license --

I lost my whole wallet!"

It's strangely funny.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 8 June 2012 15:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

You lost your license --

I lost my whole wallet!

^^lol i would love to kick it with joe walsh

wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 8 June 2012 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 June 2012 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

pretty terrible: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/magazine/halfhearted-half-brother.html

Mordy, Sunday, 10 June 2012 00:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

Joe Walsh is so rad. He's got my vote!

freebroheem (loves laboured breathing), Sunday, 10 June 2012 06:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Well in a way Klosterman's probably going to make that column more honest, by dispensing with the pretense and making it indistinguishable from Dear Abby.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

It will still, of course, be terrible.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

i don't see anything terrible in that column Mordy posted

la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

"oh noes the dude known for saved by the bell riffs didnt use the catergorical imperative in an advice column about sick cats, emmanual kant is spinning in his FUCKING GRAVE!!!!"

la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

the route is ban (k3vin k.), Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

the route is ban (k3vin k.), Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

mordy otm

balls, Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

i guess i dont read enough newspaper columns where randos tell me how to live my life to know if this is terrible or not

la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

everyone's very aware of yr aversion to reading

balls, Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

frightening to think that klosterman got this gig off of that ridiculous at the time even more hilarious in retrospect 'breaking bad is better than the wire cuz the wire is liberal and breaking bad is serious moral show cuz good guy turns out to be bad guy' grantland piece.

balls, Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

You can’t love someone out of guilt.

sizable portion of the NYT readership will beg to differ

(REAL NAME) (m coleman), Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

frightening to think that klosterman got this gig off of that ridiculous at the time even more hilarious in retrospect 'breaking bad is better than the wire cuz the wire is liberal and breaking bad is serious moral show cuz good guy turns out to be bad guy' grantland piece.

― balls, Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:25 AM (23 minutes ago)

oh my god, had never read this

the route is ban (k3vin k.), Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

It makes sense that they would hire Klosterman, because they need young readers, and young people love Klosterman. He is very in tune with young people, so will speak to them. And they will listen, because it is Klosterman, voice of a generation, who will be familiar to everyone of that generation, which is young and likes young things and especially young people telling them the best ways to go about doing young things and solving young problems in a voice they understand, because they are young and generally don't listen unless someone is speaking to them in a language they understand. Plus there was the time he reviewed "Chinese Democracy."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 10 June 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Was Joel Stein too busy?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 10 June 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

in that ethicist column a guy asks if he should be welcoming to his disliked half-sister because of her loneliness and need for companionship -- he explicitly says "does someone else’s desire for connection .. outweigh my personal preference?" -- and chuck spends three paragraphs explaining why the guy does not need to be welcoming to his half-sister merely because she is related to him.

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 10 June 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink


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