GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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That is so true about Simmons! It's so weird to watch him in that role but he's really really good.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I know, I just love that guy

mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

xxpost

that's a good point. the concept behind this show doesn't seem to be designed to age well.

Moodles, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

x-post The best!

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol, I don't consider it weird cuz it's the best role I've ever seen him in, and when he shows up in anything I think "the Nazi from Oz."

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

my fave part of Oz was yelling "hey dummy" at the screen whenever dennis duffy showed up

Mordy, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah well I'm obv late to the Oz game. I had no idea he was even in it before I started watching.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Um. Dennis Duffy was sort of hot when he was younger. I was surprised.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

By the way, keep in mind that the ratings on both shows technically suck. We're talking, like, a million vs. a million and a half viewers or such. If JLD's starpower is not enough to stretch that span even wider, I wouldn't credit her too much for the difference. I think Veep just has broader appeal beyond its depicted demographic. Vs. Girls, which I can't imagine appeals to anyone over 35 or so. Because "LOL fuck these people and their problems, I've got shit to do."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

if they added JK Simmons to either show they'd have a sure-fire winner

mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd watch it.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

A friend is like Morbs and finds it pretty difficult to watch the Spiderman films because hey, why is a Nazi running that newspaper that Peter Parker works for? To say nothing of Juno.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

must be a hard life

Number None, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

he is skoda the shrink from law and order, come on

goole, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

my parents liked watching "the closer" and i didn't mind when i was at there place because hey, look, jk simmons!

mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

I know most of the major Oz characters died but I liked to pretend that they all were outsourced into positions in the L&O franchise

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Or they found an new and exciting life in, er, The Wire.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

"LOL fuck these people and their problems, I've got shit to do"<-even better title honestly

boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha that's how i feel about almost all tv shows, so i don't watch them!
i'll keep watching GIRLS, however
and GAME OF THRONES and DOCTOR WHO

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man, my current tv watching list is pretty bad

mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

if they added JK Simmons to either show they'd have a sure-fire winner

he was just on BFF, the "NYC women dealing with love and life" show getting the least attention

da croupier, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

"I have to say that I'm absolutely astonished that, of all shows, this is the one that is being attacked for being too white. I could list the shows on television with all-white casts, but then we'd be here all day. If I threw a roster of the shows that are all white but have a token non-white person who is rarely the focus of any important stories, we'd be here well into the evening."

exactly.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

(i have way more nuanced things to say but am too busy atm)

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

that is definitely true, but to be fair i think some of the criticism of Girls on this front has come from people like me who were more invested in it than in 2 broke girls or 2 and a half men or whatever else is on tv. holding it to a higher standard because we like it. not that that's fair; i essentially agree with her and with the dude who reported on the the arfin lady's missteps who said the same thing.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

holding it to a higher standard because we like it.

reminds me of when people debated the representation of women in Knocked Up, as if most comedies have women do more than prove the heterosexuality of the male leads.

da croupier, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

i understand that, but there's something slightly...off...about a show that seems to be much more interesting in its representation of young women/sex/anxieties that is created by (and largely written and directed and starring) not only a woman, but an incredibly young woman in this context, and then to say "well, you're much better than everything else about these things you're doing, but you haven't done race properly so FUCK OFF". Not that I"m saying you, horseshoe, are saying those things or being that dismissive of it, but a hell of a lot of people online are.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

is maureen ryan reeeaaalllly astonished that the hbo show about 20somethings livin and lovin in greenpoint is the one that is having the most stuff written about it

max, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Girls is less fantastical than other all-white sitcoms - when you start with press about Dunham writing her experiences and give it a look that approaches the real world (instead of How I Met Your Mother's enormous apartment that was leased to a low-level architect and law student to start with), that's going to garner more "why doesn't it really look/feel like the real world then" criticisms.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

also because it appeals to the kind of demographic who bitches about stuff online

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

self-hatred is counterproductive imo

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyway if arfin hadnt done that tweet i doubt wed be talking about it at this level frankly

max, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://t.co/qLCmGNBr

max, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah just when i thought i was over it and reflecting that my feelings about the lack of characters of color were more a result of putting a huge amount of pressure on this one good-seeming show created by a woman, the arfin tweet story broke and then i had to think about gavin mcinnes which is always infuriating, so.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

holding it to a higher standard because we like it.

I am so, so guilty of this to the point where I've been called an unceasingly critical person, since I tend to analyze and criticize the flaws of things before anything else. If I don't like something or have a stake in it, I usually don't talk about it at all!

mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyway if arfin hadnt done that tweet i doubt wed be talking about it at this level frankly

Agreed, she is pretty vile though and her continued involvement in the show makes me want to write it off.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think my point is that we should hold everything to a high standard, not just the things we like/have a stake in. Cultural criticism is arguably at where it is today (too often boring, repetitive, non-intellectual) because we don't have much quality intelligent cultural output to talk intelligently about. Hence jumping on this show. Likely a demographic issue too re this show.
xps

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

honestly, that tweet is the main reason I decided not to watch this show

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't think this was exactly max's point in his gawker post but he made me wonder whether Girls is getting more criticism bc there are higher (undeserved?) expectations about millennials' ability to talk/write honestly about race

Mordy, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

if anything i think american culture is moving in retrograde in this regard /debbie downer

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

"a vexing intersection of eroticism and geography."
oh jon

"in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha i clicked on that, started reading it and just felt bad about myself

Lamp, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

There are definitely higher expectations at work here, namely that the HBO show (code: independent) starring hip young people (code: enlightened) in NYC (code: multicultural) would bypass the usual network demands that the casts be all white, etc. But of course it goes deeper than that (see: the Atlantic piece). One of my best, oldest friends, who is black and working in TV in Hollywood, has always told me he's more or less at peace with how white every show, and every writer's table, is. There's a reason they call the dude Twofer on 30 Rock.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Girls is getting more criticism bc there are higher (undeserved?) expectations about millennials' ability to talk/write honestly about race

...and maybe that it is shot largely/somewhat on location and hence more "real."

One of the better sitcom eps on race was on Larry Sanders where the staff was split in their views of the O.J. trial.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like this show. I think it accurately depicts how incredibly fucking stupid people are at this age.

Darin, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

did sex & the city ever have a black character? i can't remember any. were black extras even allowed in outside shots?

too bad most shows can't be as multiculti as xena. been watching a ton of xena. not to mention employing half of australia for a decade.

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Blair Underwood did Cynthia Nixon on SatC.

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

woah, you've been watching a ton of xena and employing half of australia? how do you have time for us?

da croupier, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

ohrightforgot blair underwood. he's boring enough to be white. sexy though. in a boring way.

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

blair underwood's playing stanley kowalski on broadway rn

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:07 (2 years ago) Permalink


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