Occupy Wall Street 3: Now What?

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heard things are heating up in Oakland again

Chris S, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 07:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

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Years ago when the 'People Park' riots were going on in Berkeley, I read where chemists had developed an anti riot, or battlefield gas, that was not harmful and only had one effect...If anyone gets one wiff of it, they have an overpowering need to defecate...not later, right now...I don't know if it was ever used, but it is one dandy way to stop a riot...

Defending capitalism with urban myths, lol.

windborne grey frogs (dowd), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 08:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Some nice populist right vs free-market right examples in their comments box too.

Disappointed in 'Occutards' as an insult though. I would have gone with 'Occupussies' myself - though maybe they're worried of appearing misogynistic.

windborne grey frogs (dowd), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 08:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

i remain fond of 'occupoops' since spotting it in a youtube comments section awhile back

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 10:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Occu*Pops

fruitsbs (beachville), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 11:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

ACT UP busy this morning on Wall St:

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/04/act-up-chains-themselves-across-wall.html

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

and newish page for May 1:

http://maydaynyc.org/may-day-2012

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-26/wall-street-tracks-wolves-as-may-1-protests-loom.html

I can't miss work but I'll prob go to whatever's going on in the evening if you wanna meet up morbs

iatee, Friday, 27 April 2012 14:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, cept I dunno where I'd be at 6pm, Union Sq or further south?

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

according to the schedule the march starts at union sq at 5:30...I can make that. if the crowd is big enough that I couldn't find you maybe try to hang out near the main covered subway entrance? if it goes off schedule or whatever don't worry about it.

iatee, Friday, 27 April 2012 14:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

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i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

LEO's bread is buttered on one side.

Aimless, Friday, 27 April 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Using the (not-really-)anniversary of OBL's death to clamp down on tomorrow's events?

http://occupywallst.org/article/ows-issues-solidarity-warning/

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Chicago in particular is raising my eyebrows--deploying battle dressed security forces armed with nonlethal weapons ostensibly for NATO but coincidentally starting tomorrow.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 30 April 2012 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Silky Slim (dan m), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

meanwhile, this has (quietly) been going incredibly well: http://oaklandlocal.com/posts/2012/04/my-visit-occupy-farm-gill-tract-albany-community-voices

Milton Parker, Monday, 30 April 2012 20:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

meanwhile, this has (quietly) been going incredibly well: http://oaklandlocal.com/posts/2012/04/my-visit-occupy-farm-gill-tract-albany-community-voices
--Milton Parker

With any luck I'm gonna have one of their organizers on my show next week!

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 30 April 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://noskulemay1.tumblr.com/post/17980445709/no-school

this makes me lol cause i hear it in the tone of "NO CLAM?!?!" "no clam."

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Occlampy

"in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.missionmission.org/tag/riot-on-valencia/

Beyond frustrating

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 08:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

#letsgetit

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

I am not down with this

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 arrest huh

Silky Slim (dan m), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

I just... a strike = okay, yes. a march = okay, yes. smashing up locally owned eateries = uh waht. get a brain morans.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

so counterproductive

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

So, rather than describe what happened (since 340958345 other blogs and news agencies will do just that), I think it is more important to point out who did this. But as I’m about to explain to you, I don’t know that I can do that. You see, I don’t know who, the people I’ll dub as the ‘ringleaders’ of the march were exactly. Nobody did. Yeah some of the aggro people we always have to deal with were there, but these guys weren’t it. You remember those asshole jock bullies in high school? Well that was who was leading the march tonight. Clean cut, athletic, commanding, gravitas not borne of charisma but of testosterone and intimidation. They were decked out in outfits typically attributed to those in the ‘black bloc’ spectrum of tactics, yet their clothes were too new, and something was just off about them. They were very combative and nearly physically violent with the livestreamers on site, and got ignorant with me, a medic, when I intervened and reminded them that I was there to fix them from police violence, not protester on protester violence. 

I am typically really bad with names, but I am great with faces. I love people. I love looking into their eyes, looking at their smiles and their body language and trying to guess at their life and stuff. I probably will forget your name the first few times I’ve met you, but I will not forget your face. Even people I pass on the street, I’ll remember you for weeks. With that said, I didn’t recognize any of these people. Their eyes were too angry, their mouths were too severe. They felt “military” if that makes sense. Something just wasn’t right about them on too many levels. I’m not one of those tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, I don’t subscribe to those theories that Queen Elizabeth’s Reptilian slave driver masters run the Fed. I’ve read up on agent provocateurs and plants and that sort of thing and I have to say that without a doubt, I believe 100% that the people that started tonight’s events in the Mission were exactly that. 

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^

Silky Slim (dan m), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 16:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

It would make sense. It would be a lot easier if you were a genuine left wing anarchist to bust up windows in the FiDi on a Sunday night than engage in nimby anti-latte drinking cultural politics in the Mission and it would make more sense.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

that's true

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

the timing of this (so that the media gets to furrow its concerned nonpartisan brow over it all day today) and the lukewarm police response set off major agent-provocateur alarms when i read about it last night, but i didn't want to underestimate the capacity of kids to be dumb. gonna need better evidence than "they had severe mouths" but yeah, something could well be up. regardless i guess let's just bury it under cool stuff today.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 16:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

the lack of arrests thing is pretty weird - the Mission station is right there, and from personal experience those cops are total assholes who wouldn't think twice about cracking skulls.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

I used to think that blaming agent provacateurs required some tinfoil, like who exactly is commanding them, and why, no one is steepling fingers to defend Capitalism, etc, but I've decided that it's basic cop mentality: they're not there to discredit, they're there to ~expose~ the real badduns.

catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm leery of that explanation too - it's convenient and unproveable - but historically this tactic has totally been used by law enforcement, it's not all crazy conspiracy theories.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

like if a single non agent prov hucks a trashcan, it's all the justification needed for a crackdown, "these kids are primed, if it wasn't one of us that sparked them, it would've happened anyways." that it serves to discredit a movement or w/e is almost ancillary to the idea that police gotta be policing.

catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

good timing on 'cleveland anarchist bomb plot' too, keep the news focused on that

am0n, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

sorry if I'm not being clear: I believe it's a tactic! I just don't think there's an explicit reason for it other than its almost built in to the idea of the police apparatus. the powers it serves don't even need to decree that it be done; agent provocateurs are sort of a foregone conclusion, is all. hence: you don't have to believe in conspiracy theories, it's just cops bein cops

catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

just coppin around

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

In Madison Square Park for the Free University. Such a nice thing, heard lectures from Andrew Ross and Frances Fox Piven. Really glad I took work off.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

cute #ochi pic http://lockerz.com/s/205658903

Silky Slim (dan m), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just a little thought on tactics/media strategy, albeit you can take this with a grain of salt as being from someone who is at best a peripheral supporter -- I thought the whole May 1 general strike publicity campaign was a bit grandiose, and bound to lead to a sort of underwhelming effect in the end. Like you're not going to get a significant mass shut-down of uh, capitalism in general without some serious organizational underpinnings. Stickers won't do it.

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

agree 100%, but I also think (maybe?) it did a service in (re)introducing the very idea of such a thing at such a scale occurring.

I kept getting frustrated by the campaign from a media relations perspective--"hey guys if we keep talking like this it's gonna be seen as a failure no matter how well it goes because we didn't ~smash capitalism~ in a day, perchance we ought to course correct"

I was surprised (though I suppose I shouldn't have been) that the socialists--who've basically been a nonentity for us in DC for the last 7 months--wound up near-running the march & rally we had today. Not a large march by "nation's capital" standards, decent march by district standards.

We also had 2 counterprotesters, one with an Israeli flag and the classic "communism has only killed 100 million people, let's try it again!" sign. The guy with her had a flag with an iron cross on it, and he spent most of the time he was there explaining why the historical context for his flag made him "an anti-communist, not a Nazi," and why his Jewish lady friend was totally down with his iron cross flag.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah and also it just seems unrealistic to imagine that people will just like answer the bat signal of striking. Mass strikes of the past had the force of very-well-organized labor behind them, i.e. unions that could call on their members to act in solidarity. I respect wanting to try a new playbook and I understand that organized labor is not what it was, but I think it would take more than a viral campaign to convince people to leave their jobs for a day.

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

event was v. big in nyc today, as big as the bigger rallies in ows p1 even

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

Marched about 4 miles today. Good stuff, annoying diversions on the Union Square-to-downtown leg. Dogs are barkin'.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

Was also surprised, as always, that 20somethings know the words to "We Shall Not Be Moved."

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

more or less agree about strikes but the 'reasonable people who would like to give ows some advice but don't entirely support it because they have a list of problems' are kinda useless, do you know why the movement does stupid things, because all the reasonable people are busy writing blogs posts to themselves

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

ps morbs was interviewed for local tv news!

iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

was out at union square myself, seemed huge and well organized

"in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

couldn't see Das Racist, tho

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:15 (1 year ago) Permalink


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