Homosexuality and Hip-Hop : The Gay Rapper Thread

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fauxmarc, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dana, this is a strange way to stay in the closet, girl.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/05/queen-latifah-to-headline-pride-event.html

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's pretty sad/offensive that anyone period performing at a pride event immediately has to have their sexuality brought up

fauxmarc, Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Latifah's kind of weird in general about being in/out. last year she exec produced a show, Single Ladies, in which she has a recurring guest role as a lesbian who claimed to have been involved w/ one of the main characters.

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

naux, faux, not when they've been in a glass closet for 20+ years.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

buying into gossip and celebrity-hounding isn't any sort of excuse for it

fauxmarc, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

also, what fictional character someone plays on a fictional tv show on an entertainment channel should also not be fodder at all for the aforementioned gossip and celebrity-hounding

fauxmarc, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

i wasn't saying that. i was just saying that, given the rampant speculation, her choosing to cast herself in that role was noteworthy. when i saw it i actually thought 'oh i guess she did finally come out of the closet and i must've missed it in the news' so morbs noting the pride day thing was the first recent acknowledgement i'd seen that she's not officially out. as a straight guy, i'm not going to lecture or judge gay people on the evils of speculating on the sexual orientation of celebrities, that seems like a popular pasttime and it's not really my place to say whether that's a bad thing.

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it just propagates a homophobic environment, drawing lines between US/THEM by setting up the notion that only people of certain sexualities take up a certain job/role/creative endeavor, those just shouldn't be factors at all; yeah the gossip angle is a popular pasttime but it's a terrible one. but i think the same of spectator sports so w/e

fauxmarc, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

lezbihonest tho, couldn't it just as well be argued that refusing to recognize signs of someone's sexuality unless they've explicitly acknowledged it is equally homophobic? (says guy who is continually frustrated that no one seems to recognize i'm gay even tho i make no effort to hide it)

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I'm with Rev on this one. My issue with the ENTIRE paradigm of how we talk about this stuff is that it's based on the underlying assumption that people are straight by default and we must treat them as such until they explicitly acknowledge that they're queer.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Generally in person, I'm not down for labelling anyone's sexuality as gay, straight, bi, pan, a, or other unless they identify themselves as such, but something sits wrong with me about the default = straight, even if it's statistically more likely to be an accurate assumption.

I mean, my two options are this: either I can pick up on the signals people are sending out in terms of not only self-presentation but implied statements, comments, *vibe*, and so forth.Or I can default assume everyone is queer until proven otherwise, which in some contexts, I do. Does that mean I'll be wrong sometimes? Sure.

But while I understand that "it's pretty sad/offensive that anyone period performing at a pride event immediately has to have their sexuality brought up" is a valid statement in the sense that plenty of non-queer people can be and are supportive of the LGBT communities, I also feel like the idea that it's "offensive" requires an assumption that it's "offensive" for a straight person to have to deal with speculation that they're gay, when very few people would ever say that it's "offensive" for someone to speculate/assume that I or Rev or any other queer person is straight before being told otherwise.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

But on the other hand, speculating that people are queer based on stereotypical aspects of who they are just reinforces notions about what constitutes appropriate presentation/performance of gender and straightness or queer-ness, so this entire thing is pretty much a big mess, I suppose.

I think it's a lot easier to deal with this stuff on a personal/interpersonal level than a media/celebrity level and I suppose faux's right that the issue is that people are interested in gossip and celebrity's sex lives in ways that aren't relevant in the same way that kind of knowledge is in the context of friendships, sexual relationships, etc., but given that this sort of prurient interest isn't disappearing, we need to have a better way to discuss queerness and celebrity than 'straight until they hold a press conference or appear on the cover of People'

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

if i was a celebrity i'd be tempted not to officially come out just so i could watch everyone doing their nut "speculating" and making themselves look like twats

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Johnny Weir already played that card iirc.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

You're right, I'm just assuming that Latifah is L, the same way I'm assuming the Romneys are not really friends with the Gingriches, despite Mitt's statement the other day.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean, yeah, i agree with marc that doing a pride fest doesn't mean shit, but a lot of other things w/r/t latifah do. at any rate it's the "default to straight" thing that bothers me.

xps

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

if i was a celebrity i'd be tempted not to officially come out just so i could watch everyone doing their nut "speculating" and making themselves look like twats

― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Thursday, May 3, 2012 11:18 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've kind of assumed latifah's playing this card (tho with the intention of keeping her name in peoples' mouths not out of any petty malice)

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

lezbihonest tho, couldn't it just as well be argued that refusing to recognize signs of someone's sexuality unless they've explicitly acknowledged it is equally homophobic? (says guy who is continually frustrated that no one seems to recognize i'm gay even tho i make no effort to hide it)

what signs are there outside the subject (by which i mean target) explicitly saying what they are that aren't based on stereotyping and gossip?

I also feel like the idea that it's "offensive" requires an assumption that it's "offensive" for a straight person to have to deal with speculation that they're gay,

nah it's just offensive that anyone would have to deal with anyone else speculating what they are period

fauxmarc, Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean, MYOB, etc

says guy who is continually frustrated that no one seems to recognize i'm gay even tho i make no effort to hide it

after enough questions about whether or not i'm security at the club i gave up on caring re: others

fauxmarc, Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

It is offensive to be coy if making one forthright statement would increase tolerance by an ounce.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

and I say that as someone who wishes Elton John would go back IN

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

wherein being "coy" == not caving into or confronting whatever assumptions about you that other people somehow feel they're entitled a response to

fauxmarc, Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

yep, welcome to showbiz:society relationship as it is

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Coyness" is a noun that's effective after the fact -- when the celebrity comes out and explains why they weren't out to the public for years (e.g. Neil Tennant, Ricky Martin).

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've yet to form an opinion on this. I might never form an opinion on this.

fffv, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

old track with new video, rev initially posted it in feb. nothing alone really got me into blanco but this sold me on things

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

huh, apparently mykki's little brother is one of those NRK pyramid people. i guess that kind of makes vague sense.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

huh, apparently mykki's little brother is one of those NRK pyramid people. i guess that kind of makes vague sense.

who are the NRK pyramid people?

the "join my militia" video is quite something. "wavvy" is still a better song though

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Thursday, 17 May 2012 10:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

they are a collective vaguely connected to odd future (matt martians of jet age of tomorrow/the internet is a member of both) who are kind of like OF if they were inoffensive and bland

The Reverend, Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

frank ocean

mississippi joan hart (crüt), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

is not a rapper

bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

srsly

some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Supa hot is not a rapper

wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 15:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

what's rap to a non-rapper who don't rap about anything

some dude, Wednesday, 4 July 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

well to be fair to curtis i don't think we have a "gay r&b artist" thread

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 July 2012 15:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

sorry, I was more focused on the "homosexuality and hip-hop" part of the thread title. he works within the rap community; also he has rapped before iirc!!

mississippi joan hart (crüt), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

We've been talking about this extensively on the Frank Ocean thread

The Reverend, Wednesday, 4 July 2012 18:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

♆ (gr8080), Friday, 6 July 2012 03:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, I bumped this thread before I saw the Frank Ocean thread obv.

mississippi joan hart (crüt), Friday, 6 July 2012 03:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol just noticed this post

Supa hot is not a rapper

― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:49 AM Bookmark

chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Friday, 6 July 2012 04:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Zuper Blahq is not a rapper

¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Friday, 6 July 2012 05:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

LeRooLeRoo, Thursday, 19 July 2012 12:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think i needed that #homogogo

fauxmarc, Thursday, 19 July 2012 13:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

MikoMcha, Thursday, 19 July 2012 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just got posted in the thread for Dark York: Le1f - Dark York (2012): QPOC SHAKUR / #seapunk

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

You've got to be fast these days...

MikoMcha, Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Spoke to Mykki for five minutes before her show tonight (a few folks I know were involved in setting it up and I showed up a bit early).

Cosmic Angel (the mixtape) is supposed to drop in October with production from Brenmar, Teengirl Fantasy and Physical Therapy, and some other folks I forget. She's recording in LA and SF in the next week or two to finish things up before her European tour.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 28 July 2012 08:17 (1 year ago) Permalink


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