A thread for Armando Iannucci's VEEP

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The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think it needs time to develop side characters. People like Blinky Ben, etc...

There's also a different dynamic from The Thick of It. Everyone listened to/was scared of Malcolm, and the politicians tended to need to be shepherded around. JLD seems to have all the agency in Veep, where everyone else is just scrambling to fix her mistakes or get her what she wants.

Also the US doesn't have an equivalent of the civil servant, so we don't get a Terri.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

you guys realize this isn't an adaptation, right, it's a different show by the same creator

Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

original title was "The Veep of It" iirc

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

the thick of eep

Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

In the Veep

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

ah, british humour.

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

some dude is british?

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol no, i don't think so

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

oi mates some dude is

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

these political shows that Iannucci has done, do they have any of the same absurdity of the 'Armando Iannucci Show'? I saw the first episode of 'Veep' and it didn't, though it was funny enough in its own right.

boxall, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

no. at least not the surrealism.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

though his next show for HBO, Armando Iannucci's Veep Trumpet, probably will

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

the early thick of it is blackly absurd in the best sense, some of his more freeform stuff is a bit winsome

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

blimey blood sausage, i've been outed

Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

too right guv'nor

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Some of the lines felt quite British or straight out of TTOI like 'massive and total shit' and 'Tom Hanks might die'. This is not nec a bad thing but slightly jarring?

kinder, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 05:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

American innovation on stale British sitcom formula = something nice occasionally happens to the lead character, instead of being dangled in front of them and snatched away.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 06:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

Obviously I'm against it.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 06:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

^ six series

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

what i mean about classical british sitcom in re: the thick of it would be something like:

- enclosed environment
- all conflict is created by strict pecking order amongst characters
- each episode follows a rising action plot ending with someone making a tit of themselves

you guys realize this isn't an adaptation, right, it's a different show by the same creator

― Poor Turrican (some dude), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:14 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

iirc ianucci was 'developing' an american version of 'the thick of it' for ages and then it wasn't being mentioned and then his name was attached to this? i mean ... c'mon. it's the same show. sort of.

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

no, as far as I know there actually was a pilot for the American version of The Thick Of It directed by Christopher Guest

Number None, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

In October, 2006, ABC announced that it was developing a U.S. version of “The Thick of It.” Mitchell Hurwitz, whose show “Arrested Development” had just been cancelled, was named executive producer and co-writer. In a recent e-mail, Hurwitz said that he saw similarities between “Arrested Development” and “The Thick of It,” which, in his reading, was about “people whose big outward and ‘important’ lives are run on a very small and impaired set of inner resources.” He went on, “That just really appeals to me comedically. . . . Big people with small hearts. Stupid people with high I.Q.s.”
Christopher Guest directed the pilot. Iannucci barely had a role. Peter Bennett-Jones, Iannucci’s agent in the U.K., told me, “It seemed to be in good hands, but they just didn’t listen to Armando.” The pilot, which never aired, starred Oliver Platt as an almost avuncular (and non-swearing) envoy from the office of his party’s Whip, and John Michael Higgins as a peppy congressman who has never heard of “The Daily Show.” Seen today, the pilot seems flat. And there is no hint of melancholy, as there was in the British version, no sense of ideals eroded over time. Iannucci said, “It’s not awful, it’s just dull—which, you know, is a good trick to pull off.” Hurwitz defended the pilot, but admitted that it had “lost the sense of mania of the original.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/03/26/120326fa_fact_parker?currentPage=all

Touché Gödel (ledge), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh, sure, if you want to rely on external evidence

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

look i just called old mandy on the old dog and bone and he said for bobby moore that he developed this show as a version of his other show but for the bloody septics and now he's confirmed it let's have no more talk about it, right? right

thomp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Solid premiere ratings. If people liked it as much as I do it should get a couple of seasons.

abcfsk, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

it'll do fine. you practically have to kill a few horses to get less than 2-3 full seasons on HBO these days.

some dude, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm excited for 2-3 full seasons of this

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

How many eps is a typical HBO season?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

SATC generally did 18 - sometimes as few as 12 or 8 (first season + when two of the actresses were pregnant respectively)

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

deadwood and curb were/are 10-13

caek, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

dramas i think tend to be ~12

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

eastbound + d was 6-8

caek, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

it seems to be inconsistent, even within a particular show's run

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

Stoked for this, it'll feel good to watch a US sitcom from the beginning at the same time as America.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

I doubt there have been 18 episodes of The Thick of It in total!!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

enlightened had 10 and it's getting a 2nd season

i enjoyed this tho i kind of hope future episodes are less...stuffed

y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

there are 8 episodes of this season of Veep

btw i might've mentioned this in a previous thread but a lot of the show was shot in Baltimore instead of D.C. and i was this close to getting to spend a day on the set a few months ago, am really bummed that didn't pan out. maybe next season.

some dude, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

The first episode is good if a little slow-burny (certainly compared to TTOI, but I should make a conscious effort to not compare the two too much). Excellently acted all round.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

kind of reminded me of early parks & rec in that I didn't know what the stakes were, so there was just a bunch of quality comic actors all playing clueless. It's just the pilot, though.

da croupier, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

reminds me more of Lisa Kudrow's HBO show The Comeback than anything else

some dude, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 15:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

dumb Brit speaking but i've never actually understood exactly what HBO means. is it pay per view? is it cable only? over here we have some satelite/ cable stations where you *have* to pay for the channel month by month (Sky Sports, etc) but some are free with a basic 'freeview' box and so you pay once for that, then never again to watch any given channel. is that how it works over there with HBO? i was never sure also why that means you get more swearing and nudity and suchlike in HBO shows than other non HBO shows. hey i could WIKI this shit but i want the fun version from you guys.

piscesx, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't know if it's the fun version, but HBO is cable that you pay an extra monthly fee to get

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

HBO's pay-cable (you have to pay specifically for it, as opposed to getting it with a basic cable package) status means it can show movies unedited and make tv series with no restrictions as to content as opposed to Broadcast (heavily regulated by the FCC) and basic cable (which is more self-regulated than anything, but is dependent on advertisers and cable companies paying subscriptions), because you don't specifically choose those channels.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

also having no advertisers means it's not dependent on ratings, and as it's paid for monthly it has a lot more money than anyone else.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

aha it all makes sense. thanks. i wish Mad Men was made by HBO.

piscesx, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

have not seen this but am suspicious of the choice to make it vague what party anyone belongs to. or is it not vague, upon viewing?

goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh it's vague. I get the motivation but it kind of devolved things to "Looks like those clowns in government did it again. What a bunch of clowns."

da croupier, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

JL-D's character is trying to push for "green jobs" in this ep so i'd guess dem but they don't really explicitly state it, no (/notreallyaspoiler)

y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 19:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Richard T. Splatt. I don't know why I said T, my middle name is John."

Pairing up Richard and Jonah is almost the best thing they've ever done.

I've been rewatching a few episodes from season 1, and they feel so empty. They've really created a world over time.

Frederik B, Monday, 25 May 2015 13:32 (2 days ago) Permalink

yes, this show has gotten so classic. i love that iannucci is now expanding the universe to lobbyists.

Mordy, Monday, 25 May 2015 14:18 (2 days ago) Permalink

i have been loving this

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Monday, 25 May 2015 15:23 (2 days ago) Permalink

Richard is an A+ addition to the show; dude's comic timing is excellent
i like that the more power JLD gets, the worse of a human being she becomes
the basic iannucci principle seems to be that the best thing about absolute power is that you don't have to take responsibility for your actions

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 May 2015 16:44 (2 days ago) Permalink

this show is never not funny per se but sometimes the cringe comedy style is grating

slothroprhymes, Monday, 25 May 2015 16:56 (2 days ago) Permalink

I feel like this show is missing a malcolm tucker type and that's a notable if not crippling deficiency - although ben the chief of staff comes close

slothroprhymes, Monday, 25 May 2015 16:57 (2 days ago) Permalink

& while this is obviously a satire I have to say that literally everything gary does has long since passed the point of being remotely plausible behavior by a human, even for a sycophantic assistant in the beltway - maybe it's just how one-note tony hale is idk

slothroprhymes, Monday, 25 May 2015 17:03 (2 days ago) Permalink

idk i find hale's character believable. aren't there so many ppl in politics - actual politicians, and staff, etc - that you wonder how they made it so far considering how bizarre they are? and the answer is normally that the entropy of the system creates a condition where you met the right person and ten years later you're still working with them.

Mordy, Monday, 25 May 2015 20:39 (2 days ago) Permalink


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