He's right, tho (Aimless that is). We all fantasise horrible things, but no one needs to know.
― fix it with like some music glue (Trayce), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
just think if 'fantasia' consisted of walt disney's actual fantasies
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
(shrugs) I've never yet met anyone who wasn't capable of dark fantasies of violent retribution, so I figured I was just saying what I knew to be true. But pardon me if I really don't need to see the scars from your last operation to establish you had one. I'll take your word for it. Really. Same thing with retributive fantasies.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah it's more at how it read as one long tirade against shakey until the final clause
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's probably an argument that breivik deserves no attention at all, that no good will come from reprinting and scrutinizing his tedious aberrant drivel
I would completely make this argument - there is imo literally nothing to be gained from attempting to sift through the thoughts & expressions of a narcissistic murderer
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 01:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yup, also agree. Stuff him in a hole, let him bore himself to death, basta.
― fix it with like some music glue (Trayce), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 01:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
i agree. and don't ever give him access to pen and paper. nothing he ever says or thinks should ever make it to the outside world. he's a poisoner. no books either. or anything. just a nice little hospital room with nothing in it except a bed and a toilet. forever.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm mean when it comes to guys who murder a zillion people.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
give him a quran and a norwegian-arabic dictionary, and nothing else.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
He should probably be treated no worse than Rudolph Hess.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 03:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
imo he should pretty much be treated exactly how it seems he has been and will be treated by the norwegian justice system - like the human being he is, with a chance to spout any sort of drivel he pleases, and the right (likely in his case) to live the rest of his life in relative dignity behind bars (instead of locked in a cell deprived of all outside contact for years on end, as we do here in america). it's difficult to see someone who does something so truly evil as a person, which makes it easier to want to mistreat him - that's completely understandable and difficult to overcome, but imo it's important to try. and if everyone here shares my dislike for the way we treat prisoners here in the US, it should be seen as a test of our principles when someone like a breivik, or a mcveigh, or a steven hayes comes along. they all deserve the respect and compassion they couldn't show their victims.
getting into lol-excatholic hippie shit now but on some level i always feel terrible for these people - i mean they put out this great front like they're completely remorseless but - assuming they're playing with a full deck, which may be a stretch in some cases - what kind of human being can really feel nothing after doing something like this? i like to at least imagine that deep down they're being torn apart by regret and completely hate themselves - the misery any human being must feel in that situation must be terribly difficult to bear
― dharunravir (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 04:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
You assume he feels what he has done is wrong, though - and he has made it very clear that he truly believes he did what he did because it was the neccesary and correct and moral thing to do. There is no way he has any remorse over this, because he wasnt mad or unthinking: he truly believed in what he did.
― fix it with like some music glue (Trayce), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 04:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not that I'm saying that means he deserves death or extreme mistreatment, but I do honestly believe he is not only remorseless, but unrepentant, and will remain so, in much the same way anyone with strong beliefs (cf Fred Phelps for eg)
― fix it with like some music glue (Trayce), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 04:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
well i tried to imply that part of that might be wishful thinking on my part - not a bad attitude to have tho imo. but whether he feels remorse wouldn't have any bearing on how i'd want him to be treated now that he's in custody and a threat to no one
― dharunravir (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 04:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
Nothing wrong with hoping everyoine has a redeemable core somewhere in 'em, no matter who they are :)
― fix it with like some music glue (Trayce), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 04:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
Shakey Mo, go ahead and dream up all the degrading, horrific scenarios for disposing of this guy that you wan
wait waht? I have expressed no wish to do so, and have detailed no such scenarios. I am against torture. I am against the death penalty. end of story.
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 04:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
but keep on strawmanning word up
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 04:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
How about hooking him up to a device that tortures him a little bit every time his WoW character takes a hit.
― badg, Thursday, 26 April 2012 05:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
one of the best things i've read on this http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2012/04/who-are-breivik’s-fellow-travellers
― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Thursday, 26 April 2012 09:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
that is a decent article, tho i think people shd be careful about asserting a direct lineage of poisonous ideas in that Adam Curtis style. closer to the truth to think in terms of a permanent sea of poisonous ideas that individuals will adopt and adapt to their own ends and their own personal motivations.
that's why i think, on balance, that it's okay for somebody like Breivik to be allowed to express his ideas publically. Because he will never "convert" anybody to his cause, and he has nothing to say that hasn't been said by a thousand poisoned misanthropes before him. better to acknowledge that those people and ideas exist than to justify their paranoia and conspiracy delusions by using state power to repress them.
― seapunk run. run punk run! (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 April 2012 09:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
he should be made to inhale helium before being allowed to speak, like the IRA in the 80s.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 26 April 2012 10:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
what kind of human being can really feel nothing after doing something like this?
I can conceive of many. In an odd way I feel that their hell is just being such inhuman freaks.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Thursday, 26 April 2012 14:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
the absence of grace iirc
― dharunravir (k3vin k.), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-27/norwegians-sing-song-breivik-hates/3975198
Norwegians in being excellent trolls awesomeness :D
― fix it with like some music glue (Trayce), Friday, 27 April 2012 02:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
sweet
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 02:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
Quoting of the final sentence from Trayce's very nice article:
If he is found criminally insane, however, he will be sent to a closed psychiatric care unit for treatment, a fate he has described as "worse than death".
Not sure if he will be so found, but the thought that he may cheers me up, given this quote.
― Aimless, Friday, 27 April 2012 03:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Re: Norwegians sing...
That the whole world is against him plays to his narcisism, better to not show him any attention.
― nickn, Friday, 27 April 2012 03:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
think its more for the norwegian people than it is for him
― the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 03:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
But he's aware of it, surely.
― nickn, Friday, 27 April 2012 03:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
who cares what he thinks
― the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 04:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
don't throw me in the padded briar patch
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Friday, 27 April 2012 08:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's painted in a very utopian light but not everyone here are happy about all the various public responses towards Breivik. Some people like to pretend we're much different from others, but the overly nationalistic celebration of our nation and our flag is present here as it was in other countries after terrorist attacks: Otherwise sympathetic demonstrations like that sing-a-long moment or rose marches always include, to me, slightly tiresome "this kind of response shows off how great Norway is, responding to hatred with love" statements or variations on "this is the Norwegian spirit!". Just focus on the respect for each other, why do we need to wrap it up in a Norwegian cross? I think some people lap up praise from foreign media, and nationalism feels even less rational to flaunt in the aftermath of this particular terrorist attack than many others.
― abcfsk, Friday, 27 April 2012 09:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
totally recognise that :(
― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 27 April 2012 09:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
not really directly analogous but cf a lot of the "clean-up" response post-riots in the UK, and the "keep calm and carry on!" rhetoric that accompanied it
that thing of nice middle-class (liberal) society wanting to put total distance between them and the nasty man, as though breivik/the rioters/[insert menace to quotidian society here] was a monstrous aberration rather than an extreme, macabre manifestation of sentiments that are more widespread than most care to admit
― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 27 April 2012 09:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
ehhhhhhhhhhhh
that thing of nice middle-class (liberal) society wanting to put total distance between them and the nasty man...is healthy & should be encouraged
it's like...yeah...I guess Norway could don sackcloth & ashes and say THE MONSTER IS US in a public square but collectively saying "no, this guy sucks" is I think a lot healthier. people play out their identifications; a collective response is "really, this guy is more an expression of who we are than we care to admit" might be intellectually satisfying but is not, I think, constructive. That view might be better suited to history. In the present moment, what you say you believe & how you act on that is more important than The Sum Total Of The Big Picture
imo
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 27 April 2012 13:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
a collective response is of "really, this guy is more an expression of who we are than we care to admit"
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 27 April 2012 13:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
― abcfsk, Friday, April 27, 2012 10:14 AM (4 hours ago)
this is right
surely hes going to be in his cell, between refreshing the wikipedia table of most prolific spree-killers, caclking at all the l4m0rz who are unwittingly chanting crypto-marxist hippy drivel as an ineffectual riposte to his murders
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
have we ever done a serious conversation on patriotism/nationalism/jingoism?
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
one would imagine so?
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya it's the rolling us elections thread i thought?
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
no it's the one that starts oi mates and ends with ilxor chums
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
tend to agree with aero (i think) about the media/cultural studies exam answer steez of 'this guy is us'. I think that focusing on the fact that this guy held certain views shared, to a greater or lesser extent, by others in society as a whole is missing the point- he's the one that felt that his views justified an irl fantasia shootfest, and as such he's in a very exclusive member's club that sure, emerged from the same society as the rest of us but can't seriously be held up as a mirror for it.
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
media/cultural studies exam answer steez
was going to use almost the exact same diss
― the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 14:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
The fact that everyone has terrible thoughts does not automatically mean everyone does terrible things, nor that everyone's terrible thoughts are equivalent to everyone's terrible actions.
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
ah, people take solace in shared culture, signs and symbols, "we is us" identifications of collective solidarity. there's nothing intrinsically wrong with this kid of thing, and sneering at it seems tiresome and juvenile.
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
― navihchkan (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
is that person about to catch on fire?
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/man-sets-himself-on-fire-outside-833899
cant find any more info
― navihchkan (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
the fuck
― goole, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
People are weird.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:59 (1 year ago) Permalink