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― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Monday, 23 April 2012 23:40 (eleven years ago) link
If you don't count Weill, tragedy all the way. But Weill counts, so comedy it is.
― poxen, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:56 (eleven years ago) link
Is What's Opera, Doc comic or tragic? kill da wabbit, kill da wabbit
― Popture, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 01:32 (eleven years ago) link
this thread inspired by listening to both Cosi Fan Tutti and Der Rosenkavalier today and thinking hmm these transcendent moments are kind of really grabbing me because they rise out of all this pleasant bracing great music that's not seeming to lead me down some heavy deep path, kind of a basic-response thing for me I mean I'm essentially goth. I like dark stuff. But all day long I was finding essentially the same thing I look for in opera - these arrived-at, cumulative moments of power that arise within the context of a story and characters, etc - in these comic pieces. Carmen, too, is a huge favorite. maybe gotta turn in my goth card
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 01:37 (eleven years ago) link
if The Magic Flute is comic, and i don't see how it isn't, then i don't know how to call this
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 06:49 (eleven years ago) link
Undisputed best opera of all-time "Don Giovanni" was called 'opera buffa' by Mozart, so I'd assume "The Magic Flute" is comedic as well.
This poll is asking a lot.
― poxen, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:18 (eleven years ago) link
...Are you implying "Carmen" is a comic opera?
wau you are more goth than even I thought
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link
Opéra comique (plural: opéras comiques) is a genre of French opera that contains spoken dialogue and arias. It emerged out of the popular opéra comiques en vaudevilles of the Fair Theatres of St Germain and St Laurent (and to a lesser extent the Comédie-Italienne),[1] which combined existing popular tunes with spoken sections. Associated with the Paris theatre of the same name, the Opéra-Comique, opéra comique is not always comic or light in nature — indeed, Carmen, perhaps the most famous opéra comique, is a tragedy.
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
(maybe I'm misreading your intent re: the poll options)
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:59 (eleven years ago) link
This poll basically comes from the tortured child psyche of little-dude underrated a the piano student feeling like he had to CHOOSE between baroque/classical/romantic/modern as soon as he found out about the classifications but yeah it's kind of dumb & insane. still to me there seems like stuff to think about, for me anyway, like I say I'd naturally consider myself an automatic vote for "tragic" until I think about the stuff that sticks with me most
xp lol there's always that possibility, ever present when I'm the person doing the talking, that I have no idea of what I'm talking about
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
also can somebody resurrect Schubert and make him write an opera
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
wau check this out, here's Wikipedia's list of opera genres:
Acte de ballet Afterpiece Azione sacra Azione teatrale Ballad opera Ballet héroïque Bühnenfestspiel Bühnenweihfestspiel Burletta Comédie en vaudeville Comédie lyrique Comédie mêlée d'ariettes Drame lyrique Dramma eroicomico Dramma giocoso Dramma pastorale Dramma per musica Fait historique Farsa Festa teatrale Género chico Género grande Gesamtkunstwerk Grand Opera Handlung Intermède Intermezzo Liederspiel Märchenoper Melodramma Musikdrama Opéra Opera ballo Opéra-ballet Opera buffa Opéra bouffe Opéra bouffon Opéra comique Opéra féerie Opéra lyrique Opera semiseria Opera seria Operetta Operette Opérette Pasticcio Pastorale héroïque Posse mit Gesang Romantische Oper Sainete Savoy opera Saynète Schauspiel mit Gesang Schuloper Semi-opera Sepolcro Serenata Singspiel Songspiel Spieloper Syngespil Tonadilla Tragédie en musique Verismo Zarzuela Zauberoper Zeitoper Zwischenspiel
man I should have gone to grad school to study this stuff
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
Which one is Tommy?
― Friends of Mr Caeiro (NickB), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
Musikdrama
― Mark G, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:20 (eleven years ago) link
Skirt Opera.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
sadly "rock opera" is not yet a recognized sub-genre of opera
we'll see what happens 40 years from now
― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
It's asking a lot b/c operas are and aren't divisible in terms of "comedy" and "tragedy" in the same way that say Shakespeare plays are (with "historical" as a necessary addendum). I mean, where would you put Eugene Onegin? or Pelleas and Melisande? Both would I guess be termed 'lyric operas', and have laffs as well as a death at the end.
The question really is Option A: The serious operas of Wagner, Berg, "Dido and Aeneas" and "Turn of the screw". Option B: a gigantic mass of Italian opera, featuring every famous aria ever sung, and also let us not forget Kurt Weill.
― poxen, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
Schubert wrote a dozen operas and singspiels by the way. I listened to some on Radio 3's recent Schubertfest and I would recommendFierrabras, Alfonso und Estrella and the proto-Wagnerian Die Zauberharfe.
― glumdalclitch, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
Purcell's not even considered proper opera, right?
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
Dido is opera even if you wanna call it proto-opera or something
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
Schubert wrote a dozen operas
! Jesus Christ didn't he die when he was like thirty?
that proto-opera stuff is always interesting to me but I usually end up passing on it when there's more glamorous-looking stuff on the same racks. Handel wrote like tons of opera right?
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
i like the Handel operas I've seen/heard, they are a different to deal to Mozart and everything after, obv
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
incidentally aero they did an experiment on that radio 3 season to see if it was physically possible to write down the amount of music Schubert composed within the timespan he had
Purcell wouldn't obey either the Italian nor the French dictates of the genre, including dance and whatnot. There are lots of jokes in 'King Arthur' and 'The Faerie Queen', though.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
bollocks to Italo-Gallic hipsters tho
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
I remeber reading that he thumbed his nose partly because English audiences wanted something a bit more rollicking than the French and you know, ya gotta pay the bills.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
Dido and Aeneas is heart-breakingly beautiful tho, i feel like the staticness of his stories/staging is the unoperatic touch if anything
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
Poor Dido...
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Sunday, 29 April 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Monday, 30 April 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link