Celebrating Five Glorious Years of Heikki Kovalainen: Formula 1 in 2012

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Never played the online version, but i do love the Xbox version I've got, even if it frustrates the hell out of me sometimes.

I had just assumed re: Lotus 2011 that they weren't producing high-enough quality upgrades through the season and they just dropped off. Maybe it's also a symptom of the high speed emphasis that featured in this race? Even without the blown diffusers, Vettel's speed in the corner was way better and, for whatever reason, he could fly out of that first corner and rebuild his slight lead so Kimi was always left where he was going down that long straight again.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Checked and it looks like the racing in the online version is strictly viewed from overhead, no steering involved - so it looks like a 'football manager' kind of thing. I'd rather drive ...

What did you think of Rosberg shoving people off the track twice? That was crazy but Alonso slipstreaming to the pit entrance and breaking away was crazier (and I think he did that twice as well, the camera people didn't focus on the second time though)

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 18:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I haven't seen any news of a penalty on Rosberg, but if there isn't one I'd be surprised. Alonso seemed more upset that he Rosberg didn't leave him space to get around. But yah, his slipstream thing was nuts. I didn't see it the second time.

loled at Alonso v Hamilton reactions though. Alonso gripes and complains, Hamilton just passes him off track anyway (apparently this had happened in the GP2 as well?).

One thing I noticed playing through the game is that some of the newer tracks (India, especially) feature more solid run-off areas on the sides of the track compared with Spa or Monza, which seems to rely on gravel. In the game (and I am playing it on the Medium setting as I work it out) you can run off the track a bit in India and lose only a little bit of speed and time, but when you hit the gravel at Spa or Monza (especially with my set up on those tracks) you're basically fucked. So it was interesting to see the Bahrain off-track bit be solid enough to maintain speed and even overtake. I'd like to see how the stewards rule on it.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rosberg was cleared. Alonso's response:

Fernando Alonso ‏ @alo_oficial

· Open

I think you are going to have fun in future races! You can defend position as you want and you can overtake outside the track! Enjoy! ;)))

Three Word Username, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ahhhh hah ha that's excellent - I do feel for the guy though, that looked scary

The team radio stuff that ends up on air is determined by the teams though right? So Hamilton might have been bitching a blue streak and we'd never know.

Not really into installing bootcamp or whatever, though I'm sorely tempted. That game looks sooooo good.

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

"“I can only say that if, instead of such a wide run-off area there had been a wall, I’m not sure I’d be here now to talk about it.” - Alonso

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I really don't know what to think about it other than a. looked scary b. I don't understand the overtaking rules cos I'm a noob c. the stewards evidently don't think it's a big deal

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Did they determine what was up with Hamilton's left rear tyre during the pit stops?

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, Whitmarsh talked about it

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think the defensive rules is you have one move, but after that move you have to give space. Alonso seems to be interpreting that to meant that after Rosberg more or less pushed him off the track and Alonso pulled back, Rosberg should have basically let him by, maybe. Rosberg's issue with Hamilton is that he didn't pull back - he just kept going off track and passed him. It felt dangerous to me, and I was reminded of that incident last year where, I think it was Schumacher, running Rubens almost into a wall by not allowing him to get by.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost re McLaren:
Evidently it's a recurring mechanical issue rather than gross pitstop stupidity, though I really don't get how after the first set of problems they couldn't replace everything on that side? Maybe a defect in all parts that were made

reviewing the Rosbergs, it doesn't look as if it's really his fault, Ham and Alonso just get stuck in and refuse to back off

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess not. It does seem like a very aggressive defensive move, but then he was coming up against aggressive driving. I guess Alonso interpreted Rosberg's move back to the racing line to be a second defensive move, but it really wasn't.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah you can see Ros is just doing his thing (he wasn't pulling a Schumi from last year and weaving all over the place) - one thing I read though is people thought that Hamilton shouldn't have gained a place by overtaking off the track.

I don't know if you're familiar with these video game race/GP reviews, they're pretty fun

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha. quite enjoyed that actually.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: the video game - i tend to play 20% of the full race, which means i get to pit stop and have to change tyres, but it also means I don't have to deal with looking after my tyres that much (unless its raining, which can be a nightmare). Still, I was really tempted to play the full race for Abu Dhabi this weekend just to see it get dark.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't mean to turn this into a drooling-over-video-game thread but the texture and the detail in this is really astonishing

- guy who plays one video game every two years so is easily astonished

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

My races aren't long enough to worry about tyre drop-off, but I did an hour of driving in the rain in practice and you definitely feel the Intermediates drop off when the dry line starts forming, so you have to ride off the line to pick up some water to cool them down. Trickiest part is figuring out when to switch from inters to a dry tyre, as I'm not as good as sticking to the racing line as the computer is.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

About what factors lead to success or failure in these races? Or just how close everybody is?


Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, Formula 1 is supposed to be about boring consistency, right?

Er...well, by that I'm surprised that Mercedes can be winners one week and midfielders the next, with Red Bull at the opposite poll. China and Bahrain aren't radically different circuits, you know (lol Tilke lol) except in climate.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw I don't "get" everyone getting butthurt about The Ros...oh no wait I get Alonso being butthurt because he's the Spanish Mansell.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Couple things I would say about that (confusion re success/failure):
Everyone is really close this year. It doesn't take very much at all to fall five places back in quali, and conversely it doesn't take much to get on the front row - tenths or hundredths of a second are the difference.
There have been unpredictable events that set people way back - Schumi in Bahrain, the McLaren pit stops.
Biggest factor, again - tires. Lotus and Sauber seem to have perfect car balance that evens wear, whereas McLaren seem to be really heavy on the rear tires, especially if the track is cooler.

At this point Red Bull are sorting themselves out by giving Vettel a config that he can drive well. I wouldn't expect him to completely own the rest of the season, but I would bet he'll pick up a number of wins.

Brakhage, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Aye, otm about tyres...it's obvious on one level but not apparent on the surface. The FIA's backstage shenanigans with Pirelli is highly underrated when you think about, the crazy variability at different temperatures amongst the teams is a somewhat genius...but it's not as visible as DRS ZONES!!!!

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 05:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah the tires really create a tenterhook of randomness ... but isn't that kind of the point to em?

I wonder if anybody does a game featuring tracks that don't exist/aren't used like Detroit, that would be a blast

Brakhage, Thursday, 26 April 2012 23:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

waht is a "Williams", guys

Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

this is fantastic. bring it home pastor!

Health Services Union (euphemism) (haitch), Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:37 (1 year ago) Permalink


Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:37 (1 year ago) Permalink


Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

What a fun race. One of the best from an often boring track.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is only the most incredible result in ever. I mean, a Venezuelan dude winning in a Williams?

Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

For a driver oft-derided as a "pay to play" competitor I'm very happy for Maldonado.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

that was really impressive when alonso was putting the pressure on - didn't flinch once.

loving this stuff with the tyres. i always thought they should've been engineered to brutally drop off like that from the point they went with a single supplier.

Health Services Union (euphemism) (haitch), Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

seemed doubly worse this weekend. how often do they jump a tyre grade (i.e. soft to hard)?

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 13 May 2012 14:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Is it me or does this thing look impossible to overtake on?

Brakhage, Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Who is Michael Schumacher? Is this a new guy or something?

Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 26 May 2012 13:12 (1 year ago) Permalink


Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 May 2012 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

no actually like that time with gilles villeneuve at jarama

Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 May 2012 13:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Put your hands up for Mark Webber, he's got the widest car on the track.

Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 May 2012 13:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

What a beautiful parade with announcers hoping desperately for some rain-soaked drama.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 27 May 2012 14:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

"The McLaren garage says it'll be raining in FIVE minutes!"
"Well, from here, I can see a really dark cloud..."

Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 May 2012 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Brakhage, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

Good race! Hamilton deserved it. Good for Grosjean and Perez.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 10 June 2012 21:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

Liked Mercedes' high tech attempts to fix the DRS problem.

if, Sunday, 10 June 2012 22:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

when all else fails...

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 10 June 2012 23:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Everyone's tyres falling off a cliff makes for interesting finishes but it is no way to determine who is the best driver or who has the best car.

a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace (onimo), Monday, 11 June 2012 15:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Didn't watch this live (lol 3am), so I tormented the Sky Sports coverage thinking this will be great...and then they had Jacques Villeneuve co-hosting.

Anyway, lol at Alonso's tyres.

Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 09:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Vettel was on David Letterman last night, having done a promo event for the NJ track earlier. Apparently that's a thing that's actually happening.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 15:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Supposedly for next season. Austin looks possible for this fall, but it doesn't seem close to finished. Either would be better than racing at Indy ever again.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 15:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Letterman was really repping for Indy and Vettel was just saying "yeah yeah".

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 15:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Austin better be finished, i just bought tickets.

24 hours of Le Mans this weekend.

that's why ZOG controls the radio (brownie), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 16:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

I want tickets but need some things to align first. Sure aren't cheap.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 16:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

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