THE VAULT OF ILX Top 100 HORROR Movies Poll Voting Thread (voting closes May 9)

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jj otm!

fishermen are coveted by whores & stoners (Pillbox), Monday, 23 April 2012 12:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I agree with you to the extent that anyone's making the argument that you're countering, jjjusten. I personally don't care to watch a lot of that more extreme stuff because it's maybe just too much for me. I wouldn't place any qualitative value on that "too much"-ness, though, or make any claims that it's worthless trash because I'd prefer not to watch it. As I said upthread, I seem to enjoy the psychological equivalent of those more extreme horror movies, but I wouldn't blame somebody one bit if they were, for example, too uncomfortable to sit through Possession. And if that person were to saddle their discomfort with a negative qualitative judgment, I'd have to assume that their gut-level revulsion played as much of a role in the critique as their critical faculties did. I think some people are always going to equate 'deeply unpleasant' with 'bad'.

Campbell's Pink & Pasty (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 23 April 2012 13:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

while we're on the subject, and lol @ me reading waaaaaay too much into things, i was struck at the time by a scene that appears in both hostel and the hills have eyes, the two most explicitly intentional "post-9/11" horror films i can think of. it may be that i'm misremembering things, but iirc, in both films a protagonist character is trapped, bound and tortured. during the torture sequence, two of the fingers on his/her right hand are cut off [cue drudge sirens]. it's almost too ridiculously on-the-nose to mention, but i was kind of blown away at the time by *the symbolizm*.

― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Friday, April 20, 2012 3:52 PM (3 days ago)

ha, nice catch there

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 23 April 2012 13:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

obv I'm with mr justen all the way but the torture porn bashing in this thread has been mild to non-existent, most folks have acknowledged that martyrs and deadgirl are unusual and well-made films, even if the content or overall message isn't for them.

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 23 April 2012 13:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

obv I'm with mr justen all the way me too -- i think he summed it up nicely.
I have been under the impression that anyone who bothers to post to this thread is (1) into horror movies and (2) pretty well schooled on the varieties and (3) not a total psychopath. Maybe that's naive on more than one count, but I don't think so.

as for deadgirl, I haven't seen it, but my lurker has and his opinion was the same as everyone else's here afaict -- well executed (pardon the choice of terms there), but could not recommend and never need to see/think about it ever again.

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Monday, 23 April 2012 14:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

In making my list I've determined that Horror Comedy is my favorite genre of horror movies.

Jeff, Monday, 23 April 2012 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

That and the Human Centipede, which is sort of a comedy.

Jeff, Monday, 23 April 2012 14:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I watched Cat People and Curse of the Cat People yesterday. Saw the original years ago; don't think I'd ever seen the second. Very good--I'm tempted to cast a dual vote for the two of them (you could enjoy the second without having seen the first, but I think it helps), but I know how Eric feels about melding the two Godfathers into one vote, so I won't. The first is scarier and more of a pure horror film, so I'll go for that. The sequel has some genuinely frightening moments involving the old woman's daughter, though, just like the first is as dreamy and as strange as the sequel--they flow together well.

clemenza, Monday, 23 April 2012 14:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Can I please do some light but earnest campaigning for my favorite movie on this list, and one of my favorite movies of all time?! A movie for which I engaged in overseas tourism? This song is great. And no one can deny that OH GOD OH JESUS CHRIST is a terrifying moment the first time you see it? I just posted this to another thread and it was so good I had to put it here too. It's that time of year again...

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Monday, 23 April 2012 14:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Positive The Wicker Man will be Top 10--I had it slightly lower on my ballot.

clemenza, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, if the Wicker Man doesn't make it to the top 10, I will not only eat my hat but declare all the results invalid.

emil.y, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

(And force everyone who didn't vote for it to watch the remake on eternal repeat.)

emil.y, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is the symbolism that the two fingers are the twin towers?

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

I tried to watch Creepshow last night; I got through the one where Patsy Stone's dad crawls out of the grave and kills her while she lies there immobile for 30 seconds, and about 10 minutes into the one with the green moss, and just couldn't do it anymore. OTT dumbed-down shit grates on me so hardcore.

Time, a group with Jam and Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Congratulations. You are not a child of the '80s.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dont think 'wicker man' needs shilling, tbh.

the second greatest horror film about rl european heathen customs is 'sukkubus - teufel im leib', but im aware that no-one outside k4r4g4rg4 has seen this, so i didnt nominate it.

, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also, you of all people decrying OTT shit, Stevie, smdh at you.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp I'm all for horror-comedy but not where the comedy is "Look how stupid this country bumpkin is!! Look at those funny faces he's making! He's so stupid!!!"

Time, a group with Jam and Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

But he is a stupid country bumpkin! And he is making funny faces! It's a goddamned comic book!

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's like if Disney Channel made a horror film.

Time, a group with Jam and Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's so craven.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

The idea of watching someone w/ a Monkee's haircut running around flapping his arms crosseyed and yelling "DERP DERP DERP!" for half an hour just does not rly appeal to me I guess.

Time, a group with Jam and Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Stay clear of Two Thousand Maniacs, SD...

clemenza, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

But at least the ott blood and gore would compensate for the stupidity of the characters though

Time, a group with Jam and Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Slippery slope imo.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

i've thought about voting for the Nicolas Cage version of the wicker man -- oh wait, this isn't the comedy poll!

(joke)

a big fat fucking fat guy in a barrel what could be better? (Eisbaer), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

feel a distinct disconnect w/ anyone who can't find some level of amusement in 80s Stephen King mugging it up as a yokel in a Romero directed EC Comics tribute.

circa1916, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is the symbolism that the two fingers are the twin towers?

Also wondering about this.

People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Somehow think the disconnect begins and ends with anyone who can't find some level of amusement with EC Comics full stop.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

The "Jordy" segment is no doubt intended to be something like a Jack Davis tribute, all funky and sweaty and messy and gangly.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's why I said light campaigning. Just making sure we are all on the same page here. Proceed.

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can't watch the moss part b/c it grosses me out way too much. Just too horrible.

People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is the symbolism that the two fingers are the twin towers?

yeah. i said it was a stretch...

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

King's performance as "Hoagie Man" in Romero's Knightriders is his true shining moment imo.

circa1916, Monday, 23 April 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

His cameo as a racist truck driver in Creepshow 2 isn't bad either.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

tbf he was sky-high on coke and pills pretty much continuously from 1980-1985

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's so craven.

HAHAHAHAHA! A+++

Advanced Uncle Meat recovery system (Dan Peterson), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyway, about extreme horror and "torture porn" or w/e, in response to jjj:

the slasher film has never been my favorite genre. essence of the genre = crazy monsterish guy watches girls get naked while breathing heavy, then plunges knives into them. not my thing, unless there are strong fantasy elements to offset the stalk and slash, as in say nightmare on elm street. the giallo is similarly troubling, perhaps more so because the misogyny is often more explicit, plus rapeyness, implied or otherwise. i like mario bava and dario argento because they made absolutely amazing, bizarre and dreamlike films, but have few other italian horror favorites. and i find the texas chainsaw massacre actively unpleasant. it's a great & important movie in lots of ways, but the constant, desperate shrieking & terrified helplessness get to me. much prefer the sequel's comic surrealism.

on a broader level, i have little time for "gritty", "realistic" and brutally sadistic nihilism as art or entertainment. i feel that it has nothing useful to say about life, and whatever sensibility it might appeal to just isn't mine. moreover, whatever "boundary" it might seem to be pushing at has long ago been thoroughly transgressed. the room beyond is just another room, anyone anyone can enter any time they wish, and its ugliness isn't inviting. i like both straw dogs and taxi driver, but that's about as far down that particular path as i care to go.

i've been watching horror movies nearly all my life, the gorier the better, but i think my interest in the genre is fundamentally an outgrowth of my childhood love of fantasy and science-fiction literature. i watch horror to see impossible, undreamt things, the imagination unleashed. horror, as a cinematic genre, is a much freer than fantasy and sci-fi, which are bound by tiresome action melodrama expectations. i like that sense of possibility. any crazy thing anyone can think of can be made into a horror movie of some sort, and probably will be. i like the suspense, the desperation, the titillation, the darkness and the gore, but they aren't enough on their own to seduce me. i need some visionary quality, something from another world.

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: la lechera

the wicker man is great, but come on, it's a lock

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost Def going to be interested to see your ballot imo.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

the primary reason i disliked deadgirl, by the way, is that it uses the "zombie movie" trappings to make a story about rape and sexual slavery semi-palatable. in essence, it's about two boys who find a sex slave and continue to use her as a sex slave. the film would work just as well - it would mean the same thing and function in the same way - if the girl were not a zombie. i don't deny that it has something valid to say, but the brutality and explicitness of the presentation repelled me. that said, the ending was pretty great and i did like they mysterious anubis-dog.

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Monday, 23 April 2012 17:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

with contenderizer on this. I don't feel the need to critically lambast stuff I have no interest in watching and when I read the plot summaries of something like Martyrs for ex it just seems like something I don't want to experience. which is not a value judgment on it as a film or not, really.

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 April 2012 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

For me, it's not so much a moral problem as a question of largely replacing suspense with disgust. It's not a new phenomenon, and it's as valid an approach as any other, but i tend to find films like Deadgirl dull.

Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Monday, 23 April 2012 17:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure I've issued this caveat already on here somewhere, but I am not trying to talk anyone into watching or liking any of these movies - I just bristle when there seems to be more of a surface reading of the more extreme stuff simply because it's extreme. For example (not picking on you contenderizer) describing deadgirl as being about rape and sexual slavery, when there is a lot more going on there. And similarly, claiming that it could have been done w/o the living dead girl is a similar misreading of theme to me, because it radically changes everything about the motivations and decision making of the 2 main characters.

Badu and a sax run hand-in-hand (jjjusten), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

This probably isn't the thread for it, and lol at me for asking this about a movie I have no intention of seeing, but what else is there to Deadgirl besides rape and sexual slavery mixed in with zombies?

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Its a pretty interesting meditation on teen socialization and sexuality actually.

Badu and a sax run hand-in-hand (jjjusten), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

And beyond that also how we form morality in a situation outside definition and standardized exemplars of behavior. Also how we define what it is to be human and what the line between person and object truly is.

Badu and a sax run hand-in-hand (jjjusten), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ugh, can we not use the word "meditation?"

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's kinda like war film : killing :: Deadgirl : sex. I got it, I just didn't particularly want it.

Campbell's Pink & Pasty (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is grossly unfair but if I want to watch a meditation on what it means to be human, I would watch about a bazillion slavery movies before watching Deadgirl, since slavery is a direct antecedent of my family history.

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink


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