nomination and discussion thread for possible top 100 electronic dance tracks of the 00s

Sorry but BoC and fever ray can't be included. I think the others would agree

Blackstrobe - I'm A Man (Audion Donation Remix)

On my laptop, double and triple checked.

LCD Soundsystem - Tribulations (Tiga Remix)
Repair - Forgive & Forget (Richard Davis Remix)
The Modernist - Abi '81
Charlotte Gainsbourg - The Operation (Superpitcher Remix)
The Shortwave Set - Now Til 69 (Aeroplane Remix)

Sorry but BoC and fever ray can't be included. I think the others would agree

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr)

Why not? Your list had Studio, Blondes and Lindstrom & Prins Thomas and they're even closer to pop/rock than Fever Ray (assuming its electronic-ness is your complaint).

Concerning BoC well it's definitely electronic and compared to some of the noms I've seen that are borderline ambient this one at least has a driving beat throughout. Maybe not apt for bodyrocking but you can definitely bob your head to it.

I mean honestly, I love both tracks but Studio is hardly electronic either and I'd even argue is dancefloor worthy if those are our parameters. Compare it to the Fever Ray track and tell me which one fits better the concept of electronica:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjmYAl9GUMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F-CpE73o2M

Herbert - Moving Like A Train (Smith N' Hack Remix)

<3

Eh? I can see the point for Fever Ray, but what's wrong with BoC?

I mean, we have plenty of not-really-clubby electronic music in the noms, how is BoC different from that?

This is exactly why I don't think the word "dance" should be in the poll. Anything with a steady beat is technically danceable, so there'll just be endless arguments whether this or that tune is "proper" dance.

For example, a lot 00s minimal techno is such that I couldn't imagine dancing to it, but I'm sure there are other people who think it is dance music.

xpost: My point. I mean let's take Ricardo Villalobos, I love him and think his tracks deserve to be in the top ranks in this poll but if you can imagine dancing to a tune like 'sieso' you might as well dance to BoC.

yeah it's like Tangerine Dream are electronic and you can nod to your head to them, just gonna check their 00s output

I didn't see anyone complaining about Pole.

as a curious bystander who won't be participating (but will probably follow the results for pointers), i'm also a little confused by what the submissions criteria might be.

i wonder if the the distinction is primarily functional, between music that's aimed explicitly at the dance floor and stuff that caters more to the non-dancing user. if so, then what's wrong with mostly electronic mainstream pop that works as dance music? you know, like madonna tracks or w/e. is that stuff excluded cuz it's too accessible and well-known, thus would soak up lurker points? or is the central presence of the unsampled human voice an automatic disqualifier?

also, is "electronic dance" music defined here in a negative sense, by the fact that it couldn't conceivably be described as anything else? (i.e., not pop, not rap, not indie, not rock, etc...)

I think Durr Durr Durr really wanted a "top 100 electronic dance tracks you'd be most likely to buy either from a vinyl record store or from beatport or juno, preferably limited to music made (or released by labels) in Germany or Detroit, of the 00s" poll, and has been fighting a rearguard action ever since.

FWIW I was thinking of nominating the Stuart Price extended version of Madonna's Hung Up, but it's not on YouTube and I can't remember exactly how it goes. But anything which there's an equivalent to an "Extended Club Mix" is fair game tbh.

I'm generally leaning in favour of the disco edits being included and away from Fever Ray/BoC (at least in unremixed form), based on what I remember dancing to, but not hugely fussed.

I think we need to start over. I think maybe it would be clearest to call this top 100 bobbins/partisans tracks of the 00s.

But yeah, the thread now has dance in the title anyways. I won't be voting for BOC then.

"top 100 electronic dance tracks you'd be most likely to buy either from a vinyl record store or from beatport or juno, preferably limited to music made (or released by labels) in Germany or Detroit, of the 00s"

This would then limit the voter pool to a small subgroup of posters - basically the people who post to the "rolling dance" and "techno/house bobbins" threads - which is okay, I guess, if you want it like that... But maybe he should've then advertised the poll only on those threads, like the rap goons did/do on their yearly polls. Starting a general thread means others beyond that niche are gonna get interested, and hence we get into arguments like this.

(x-post with EDB)

I dunno, I think it seems pretty reasonable to open up a thread to all instead of imposing self-ghettoization.

So basically: if you want to do a poll that get more voters than the bobbins crew, you gonna have to accept that people's definition of "electronic dance" is wider than in those threads.

(x-post)

I don't really get why someone would vote for Boards of Canada in a poll like this.

If we base our picks on danceability then we might as well nominate kylie minogue or something and that would defeat the purpose of this poll. I mean, surely "EDM" is clear enough to you? BoC is IDM and fever ray is electronic(pop?) whatever. Wikipedia has a traditional definition of EDM which I quoted above. Let's follow it. That's the key word I guess, traditional. This might be a stretch but it's like Dylan and Springsteen don't belong in a punk songs list even though their lyrics are sometimes "punk." By the way good point Moka about Studio, Blondes and Pole. I wouldn't mind if they're deleted if they contradict what I was saying.

P.s. please bear my english.

i think tracks is the key word here, electronic dance tracks.

you are all maniacs.

If we base our picks on danceability then we might as well nominate kylie minogue or something and that would defeat the purpose of this poll. I mean, surely "EDM" is clear enough to you? BoC is IDM and fever ray is electronic(pop?) whatever. Wikipedia has a traditional definition of EDM which I quoted above. Let's follow it.

According to the definition you posted, several Kylie Minogue tracks would actually apply here. I don't really see how/why those tracks should be excluded; they were written to be danceable, they were/are played at dance clubs, the only non-electronic part in them are the vocals. So how are they different from other dance music with vocals that's been nominated here, like Basement Jaxx?

I got people to dance to Villalobos, but Boards of Canada or Pole would surely clear the floor or at least confuse kids dancing

i used to play black sweat by prince in my house sets but i'm not going to nominate it here

Also some of Arnold Kramer's paintings are now available as jpgs, feel they should be included as some have depicted a form of dancing and are viewable at any point during the last decade

The rhythm of work itself is a form of music but I guess it depends if we're restricting this purely to leisure time

Lamp otm.

For fuck's sake, this really isn't that complicated. Any definition is inevitably going to engender some set of contradictions, and unless we're willing to refine things down to an arbitrarily narrow set of criteria (which would just be counter-productive) just try to aim for the very clear convention that's been laid out. Otherwise it's like arguing about the definition of art or sex: you're not going to find one that's 100% coherent, but there's still something of a consensus on what you mean by it.

According to the definition you posted, several Kylie Minogue tracks would actually apply here. I don't really see how/why those tracks should be excluded; they were written to be danceable, they were/are played at dance clubs, the only non-electronic part in them are the vocals. So how are they different from other dance music with vocals that's been nominated here, like Basement Jaxx?

― Tuomas, Monday, April 23, 2012 8:42 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Electronic dance music (EDM) is electronic music produced primarily for the purposes of use within a nightclub setting, or in an environment that is centered upon dance-based entertainment. The music is largely created for use by disc jockeys and is produced with the intention of it being heard in the context of a continuous DJ set; wherein the DJ progresses from one record to the next via a synchronized segue or "mix".

If that's not clear enough I don't know what is :(

That would rule out poppy dance music acts like Basement Jaxx or The Chemical Brothers though; their music isn't "produced with the intention of it being heard in the context of a continuous DJ set" any more than Kylie's is.

I won't get into that. But I'd agree if we kinda start over and use that Wikipedia definition. Yes that means ruling out poppy dance music acts.

"How do you define "dance" anyway? Tracks with a dance beat, or tracks that actually gets played at dance clubs? Because there's plenty of stuff (like IDM, minimal techno) that would fit the former definition but not the latter."

and there's a lot of stuff that DJs will drop into a set that is blatantly not "electronic dance" but i think on the whole it's reasonably clear what we're voting for and hopefully outliers will just not get votes

― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Friday, April 20, 2012 8:45 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This. End of discussion. Just vote and if you're the only one that votes for Kylie because you want to make a point and it doesn't make the results, then fine.

Awesome.

Kylie Minogue - Can't Get You Out of My Head

oh dear

Don't sweat it, just teasing.

Just vote and if you're the only one that votes for Kylie because you want to make a point and it doesn't make the results, then fine.

I did suggest this solution upthread, but since we now have Durrr disqualifying some of the nominations before the voting even starts, it's not as simple as "just vote".

Btw, I wouldn't vote Kylie "just because I want to make a point", but because I've danced my ass off to her tunes in a nightclub setting and enjoyed them as electronic dance music.

I mean, if you want to have a house/techno poll, I'm fine with this, just call it a house/techno poll. But dance music has always been larger than that, and it has always had some overlap with pop.

it's electronic dance, a.k.a. EDM. I guess we all agreed with that and I compromised for this after wanting only house and techno. but I guess it's not clear enough for you that stuff like Kylie are not EDM.

*compromised with

The Madonna track that should be here is "Sorry (Man With Guitar Remix)".

Or possibly "Erotica (Confessions Studio Extended Remix)".

Both of which I would choose as dancefloor bangers rather than pop songs.

I think that if someone can stoutly claim that the reason they are voting for something is that it's something they have danced to and enjoy dancing to, rather than because it's a good pop (or whatever) song that one could dance to, then that should be justification enough.

OH!

Speaking of which:

Beyonce - Ring The Alarm (Freemasons Remix)

And for the avoidance of doubt:

Madonna - Sorry (Man With Guitar Remix)

The only way this debate really matters is WRT things like LCD Soundsystem and Fever Ray that really would finish high up the poll and in LCD's case possibly win it. Arguing about the legitimacy of random remixes and ambient tracks or 00s Boards of Canada tracks that no-one cares about is just wasting time really because most of this stuff will just be washed out when people start voting anyway.

Beyonce - Ring The Alarm (Freemasons Remix)

Yes yes a million times yes! I knew there was something big and obvious and apocalyptic I was forgetting!

So apocalyptic we had wiped it from our memories, as if to protect ourselves from an after-image so bright it would burn our retinas.