Hard to categorize rock/jazz/'experimental' but not really fusion crossover records by jazz dudes

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demolition with discretion (m coleman), Saturday, 21 April 2012 12:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Are we going for jazz ventures into rock cos there are several covers of things by Coltrane etc by people from the rock side of things.
Like The Corporation doing India & Mighty Baby doing the same song which is also the basis of Eight Miles High by The Byrds + covered by East Of Eden.

There is a major jazz influence in the improvisation of the San Francisco bands from the BAllroom scene. I've always heard it as jazz into rock, way before the formation of jazzrock. Also 13th Floor Elevators' Easter Everywhere's instrumental interplay always reminds me of smallgroup jazz stuff but played on electric instruments.
Ten Years After sound like they take as much from bebop as the blues on their first couple of lps, not sure if that influence fades much after they became better recognised after Woodstock.

Have to bung in the Gun Club's garage version of A Love Supreme somewhere in this thread. You can get it on that misleadingly titled Death Party live set the one out on the French record label. Think it's a line-up featuring Patricia Morrison and Ward Dotson.

Also want to bring up Love, Devotion, Surrender the SAntana/Mclaughlin lp. There are various live sets from a tour supporting that lp too that are worth seeking out.
Is Santana between III and Lotus too close to actual fusion cos it tends to be pretty great Latinate Bitches Brewisms

Plus Mclaughlin's 2nd solo lp Devotion is pretty great. Hendrixy material though I'm not sure which release has the best sound. I remember reading an Alan Douglas Wire interview where he talks about the master tapes having to be reconstructed after some accident. & that he had pioneered the technique he later sued on the controversial Hendrix releases on reconstruction but I've never been able to find any further details on that. Always wondered if anybody else had heard anything along those lines and could elucidate.

Stevolende, Saturday, 21 April 2012 12:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

To me, there's rock appeal in Ayler's tracks w electric violinist Michael Sampson, esp when they're stess-testing traditional American musical materials, and themselves--check for inst that box set sampler from several years back. In terms of xpost catalog anomalies, this is also a fine example--not that jazz doesn't have a still-developing tradition of interacting with country music, but most unusual for a hard-bop visionary, esp in 1957, way out in front of bass and drums and nothing else--don't fence him in!

dow, Saturday, 21 April 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Good thinking on that Rollins LP! Would never have thought of that one

Brakhage, Sunday, 22 April 2012 18:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, something we were talking about on the recent thread re Lou Reed's The Bells: Don Cherry's on that album, ditto Between Thought And Expression. Also, Ornette's on The Raven, and seven takes of "Guilty," accompanied by a dif instrument or part on each http://www.loureed.com/guilty/

dow, Monday, 23 April 2012 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

On the other hand, I think jazz has had a very strong and underacknowledged influence on country music via western swing, guitarists like Chet Atkins, etc.

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think it goes both ways and it sometimes seems like neither side wants to acknowledge the other.

FP Sorrow (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Good points - trying to think of 'jazz' LPs (as in, filed in jazz and not western swing) with country steel guitar ... must be some, right? (Sleep-deprived so nothing's coming immediately to mind)

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's definitely a Rex Stewart track from the 40s with pedal steel...but I can't for the life of me remember what it's called.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 23 April 2012 19:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Greg Leisz has played pedal steel w Bill Frisell quite a bit in the last few years, like in their concert tribute to the endlessly resourceful Speedy West, don't think they've released an album of that yet, ditto (last time I checked) their live soundtrack for The Great Flood, Bill Morrison's film of found newsreel footage (time-scorched nitrate). But check some of Frisell's albums already out--I can't keep up with him!

dow, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Steel player I've seen in New Orleans, Dave Easley:

Advanced Uncle Meat recovery system (Dan Peterson), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Now I'm wishing Miles had opted for a steel instead of a sitar, that would have been most excellent

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also want to start a 'weird Indian classical' LP thread with the people who do ragas on piano and steel guitar

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

yo, dudes, check this shit out:

scott seward, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

pretty ill and threatening.

Snop Snitchin, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Loving the track titles on that one, must find

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'd never heard that dizzy album until today. man, gotta be one of the funkiest records on Pablo. sounds so great on the hi-fi. i love lalo to pieces. what a genius.

and i've never heard that freddie hubbard thing!

scott seward, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dear god

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

looks like Skot is the only one who ever posted about this but yeah

have become kinda obsessed with this one lately, proto-new age/world/jazz/rock produced by George Martin, sitar (played by their conga guy?!) on 'Ode to a Fillmore Dressing Room' slays me.

llurk, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 18:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that was kind of at the crossroads of what some called The New Acoustic Music (Grisman called his approach dawg music)and new age--like world music, not quite an established musical/marketing category yet. Oregon's Music Of Another Present Era was another late-night FM fave, along with Icarus--also Codona's stuff, but I think one of their key members got killed on the road. Oregon has gotten back together occasionally.

dow, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

David Murray has recorded at least one album of Grateful Dead songs (wanna say there's two, but can only find Dark Star at the moment). he also recorded with them live, and you can stream it from dead.net, though I don't feel like negotiating with my firewall at the moment--not that I don't trust Grateful Dead Radio, but what if something else is waiting--anyway, I'm told that the Dead weren't quite up to Murray at this point ('93), but here's one with his own Octet:

dow, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

And another

dow, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ornette Coleman played w the Dead too; not seeing that, but here's Garcia w Coleman & Prime Time:

dow, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

^ sounds like a timbaland beat

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not sure what to really categorize this stuff as, but Danny Gatton (guitar) and Buddy Emmons (pedal steel) did some pretty cool stuff as the Redneck Jazz Explosion:

Good footage (kinda crazy watching Gatton's hands)

Softspot for this one too, though almost loungey at times:

grandavis, Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

speaking of paul winter, this belongs here too

scott seward, Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, I forgot they did that w Elvin, talk about an extended range! Brave Oregon pioneers. Before I forget, Robert Randolph has been known to chase Trane on pedal steel, and he's once again on an Experience Hendrix tour. Turtle Island String Quartet has also covered Hendrix well, ditto Coltrane, a whole album of his songs, and ones he covered/ They've got that barefoot sound. And also before I forget, always liked this--Pavement transmuted, inspiration no longer seemingly offhanded, still cool

dow, Thursday, 26 April 2012 21:30 (2 years ago) Permalink


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