Hard to categorize rock/jazz/'experimental' but not really fusion crossover records by jazz dudes

I wonder what the commercial success of most of these records was like. There sure as hell were a lot of them being made. Like did Lionel Hampton really do significantly better by releasing generic-ish space funk? Was the audience for trad that dead? Somehow I doubt it's what he really wanted to be doing, although maybe he didn't want to be doing trad either.

well, you know, it was just modern music. people probably wanted to be modern. or at least try to be. and make money. a lot of trad jazz people made stuff like this but were still reliably normal live for their old trad fans.

love that doc severinson/king crimson arrangement. feels like it should be repurposed for the next tarantino movie.

There was a book, What Was The First Rock (or maybe Rock & Roll) Record? Reviewer said authors picked mid-40s Lionel Hampton rec, forget title.

Wow thanks for all these fantastic recommendations scott

... and everybody else as well, great stuff

Scott that Blaine record is amazing. Srsly you are a true resource on this board.

^^^ concurrence. Never would have known there was a "Stan Getz + sci-fi SFX" LP. Thanks to llurk's links, too. I listened to every one of these, great afternoon.

Yeah, I wanna get Captain Marvel: Getz w Tony Williams, Chick Corea, Lenny White--I've seen a review which mentions a track in which "Stan blows his mind with echo and delay", although he doesn't do that all the way through, and I know Allmusic's Jurek mentions the "tension" of sensibilities adding much charge to the album.

http://static.bajamusica.com/images/SONY_BMG/90/DE/D76D84C84E4AA4275189807B1DB2/00000000000000138142-900x900_300dpi_RGB.jpg

More on the rock side of things but Joyride's Friendsound record is pretty cool. Paul Revere & the Raiders members and session guys. The record has a stretched out southern california vibe. Lots of flute and really great samples and tape/sound effects. Really love this record. I would def pair it with the Howards recs.
And I'd like to also add that the Seward has turned my ears onto a treasure of new tunes.

The live version is way better (can't find it on youtube), but this is one of my favorite Burton/Coryell songs that probably lives up to this thread's title...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ejfL6loMq4

The guitar solo on the live version is up there w/Lou Reed on the first VU album. I'm surprised it doesn't get mentioned more...

Not sure if Ray Russell and Sharrock would fit in here or if they're too well-known

needless to say, gil evans is my not easily categorizable hero. won't clutter up this thread with gil youtubes. but he covered just about every base from a jazz foundation in the 60's and 70's and 80's. and every record he made is worth owning.

i mean you can say the same about miles. the two people go hand in hand. and gil had a hand on many miles albums even when his name wasn't listed.

i HAVE to post this here though. so amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjcTcya_GJQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WKTS_YnnbU

I will be the Gil Clutterer

not sure if stuff like this is what you're after, but cheesy jazz/psych records with unusual instrumentation were pretty common back in the day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAmEYGqgaLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYfNiLSORPU

i dig this album a bunch. it's definitely fusion, but its got a lot going on. free jazz, psych, prog, etc. vinyl copies don't sell for a ton. vinyl sounds great too. much better than this youtube rip, but what the hell, someone was kind enough to put up the whole album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbiymTWegd4

lots of stuff in this thread could also fit along the kozmigroov lines, no?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DIqJzpZ4DA8/Tb6rgZYZVXI/AAAAAAAAB5k/XUHgdw4PHF8/s1600/Eddie%2BHarris%2BInstant%2BDeath.jpg

Having a hard time finding clips but I will rep for

Nils Petter Molvær - Khmer
Spring Heel Jack & The Blue Series Continuum - Masses

which are two recent records that are fusionish and that I think are great

SELFDESTRUCT IN TEN MINUTES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt_pjaL07ho

This definitely fits the bill of the thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls1ddrT7HPc

i'm kinda playing fast and loose with the original thread idea! mentioning stuff i really like. i mean there is eddie harris stuff from the 70's that will make you say WAHT THE??? HELL did he just do? in the best way.

i'm trying to remember which john surman album i got that was so not free jazz or whatever. more like krautrock. awesome record. his pal terje made records like that. and then yeah you get into ECM territory. but there is great territory to explore in ECM world!

oh and speaking of Terje, that Esoteric Circle album is a fave of mine. early fusion. of the nordic persuasion.

i was just gonna post that john surman stu martin thing! weird. mostly for that awesome death metal intro. on a synth or oscillator or whatever it is. that record sells for peanuts and its so good. a lot of john surman records do. and barre philips records. etc. jukka records. i love jukka.

This was one of the very first group young guys making jazz with some kind of alleged rock connection I heard about, maybe even before Burton. Not quite the cover I remember seeing, but the closest I'm finding. Jeremy's Dad was William Steig, who maybe did this cover. Anybody heard it? Jeremy played electric flute, I think, like the guy in Blues Project, which I was def into (Danny Kalb was kind of a speedy ancestor of Verlaine and Lloyd, in the Bloomfield Newport/Highway 61 vein, but more often than Bloomfield) Anyway, here's Jeremy

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/57125977/Jeremy+and+the+Satyrs+Jeremy++the+Satyrs+front.jpg

i like his records. i don't love him though. i'm definitely a william steig fan though.

Sure looks like William did it, now that I can see more detail.

this is my favorite jeremy cover actually

http://www.soulstrut.com/images/uploads/reviews/6a00e553df6489883401156ff85d46970b-800wi.jpg

he had a lot of good covers

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/Firefly_(Jeremy_Steig_album).jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mGP-7NjQHO8/TTZ9QSU5rtI/AAAAAAAAJro/zbo0TMk3mQY/s1600/lend_your_ears_front2.jpg

http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/s/steig_jerem_templeofb_101b.jpg

Wow! Never saw most of those. Should also mention Hal Willner's gathering of various tribes in the 80s, esp for various wild takes on Weill,via Lost In The Stars (and later September Songs. Stay Awake was more uneven, but Sun Ra and Tom Waits had no prob with those Disney songs. Willner also produced the TV series Night Music; no doubt some of it's been on YouTube. Miles, Maria McKee, gee, you never knew who'd show up for the party. Al Green looked totally disgusted by Sun Ra's Arkestra, and just went BANG! BANG! BANG! on his cowbell (Syd Straw laughing wildly, her glasses rolling around). But when I played the audiotape back, he fit perfectly--sorry bout that Al! Mind you, having Charlie Haden behind Nick Cave's portentous ass on "The Mercy Seat" was so wrong--although Charlie looked amused, fortunately. But Sonny Rollins with Leonard Cohen fuckin' ruled Also pertaining to this thread:

http://991.com/newgallery/Sonny-Rollins-Nucleus-529197.jpg

Yeah, here's Sonny on Night Music w L.Cohen: "Who By Fire"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2T274bXIxU

> Hard to categorize ...

Orchester Gustav Brom - präludium
from 'Missa Jazz' on MPS

> Bill Plummer & Cosmic Brotherhood

love the cover: barefooted man in suit

Is Ayler just too obvious for y'all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJAq_1OyO7o

Never got round to New Grass but from that track its still too much in that obvious 'free' manner.

On further reflection tho' I love the thread concept - never spent too long w/fusion but like how this is stated in a way that allows for fusion-y and free-ish stuff to co-exist...so need to investigate some of the tracks a bit more.

xyzzz, did you make it past the first 30 seconds?

yeah, the sung part and then funk-type backing aren't given much space by Ayler

yeah, like that Moon Man record i mentioned by Charles Lloyd is perfect for this thread. respected young post-bop jazz sax player makes completely bonkers...uh...rock? record.

but then i kinda cheated by posting something like that Friends album which is John Abercrombie and other young weirdos. It is a mix of things, but its not like the people who made it were well-known for doing other things first. they were young.

i like anomalies in people's catalogs.

speaking of early hybrids, john abercrombie was a part of stark reality. 1969. rock/funk/jazz/everything music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6oxjz7KPz8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnWxqyfdakY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o86Ffwcc6Zk

All of this really goes to further illustrate how deep the jazz well goes. You can get to know some rock or some punk but there is just a planet load of crazy jazz that was cut in the age of the LP.

Part of it is alot of this stuff never came back in the CD age, so large swaths of it are probably not easy to find.

Someone unscrupulous or someone beneficent should put together some box sets of this kind of thing.

this is hard to categorize - like gil evans meets ez listening and 70s tv commercial soundtracks? also includes orchestrated take on "birds of fire"

http://bp0.blogger.com/_IyDZgXq8QH0/SCgqMlLIOrI/AAAAAAAABLA/e0p9PKeoiUk/S1600-R/Headless_Female_Mannequins2.jpg

haaha

http://991.com/newGallery/Don-Sebesky-Giant-Box-382636.jpg

Are we going for jazz ventures into rock cos there are several covers of things by Coltrane etc by people from the rock side of things.
Like The Corporation doing India & Mighty Baby doing the same song which is also the basis of Eight Miles High by The Byrds + covered by East Of Eden.

There is a major jazz influence in the improvisation of the San Francisco bands from the BAllroom scene. I've always heard it as jazz into rock, way before the formation of jazzrock. Also 13th Floor Elevators' Easter Everywhere's instrumental interplay always reminds me of smallgroup jazz stuff but played on electric instruments.
Ten Years After sound like they take as much from bebop as the blues on their first couple of lps, not sure if that influence fades much after they became better recognised after Woodstock.

Have to bung in the Gun Club's garage version of A Love Supreme somewhere in this thread. You can get it on that misleadingly titled Death Party live set the one out on the French record label. Think it's a line-up featuring Patricia Morrison and Ward Dotson.

Also want to bring up Love, Devotion, Surrender the SAntana/Mclaughlin lp. There are various live sets from a tour supporting that lp too that are worth seeking out.
Is Santana between III and Lotus too close to actual fusion cos it tends to be pretty great Latinate Bitches Brewisms

Plus Mclaughlin's 2nd solo lp Devotion is pretty great. Hendrixy material though I'm not sure which release has the best sound. I remember reading an Alan Douglas Wire interview where he talks about the master tapes having to be reconstructed after some accident. & that he had pioneered the technique he later sued on the controversial Hendrix releases on reconstruction but I've never been able to find any further details on that. Always wondered if anybody else had heard anything along those lines and could elucidate.

To me, there's rock appeal in Ayler's tracks w electric violinist Michael Sampson, esp when they're stess-testing traditional American musical materials, and themselves--check for inst that box set sampler from several years back. In terms of xpost catalog anomalies, this is also a fine example--not that jazz doesn't have a still-developing tradition of interacting with country music, but most unusual for a hard-bop visionary, esp in 1957, way out in front of bass and drums and nothing else--don't fence him in!
http://www.pittsburghmagazine.com/Pittsburgh-Magazine/September-2010/Way-Out-West/SonnyRollins.jpg

Good thinking on that Rollins LP! Would never have thought of that one

Oh yeah, something we were talking about on the recent thread re Lou Reed's The Bells: Don Cherry's on that album, ditto Between Thought And Expression. Also, Ornette's on The Raven, and seven takes of "Guilty," accompanied by a dif instrument or part on each http://www.loureed.com/guilty/

David Murray has recorded at least one album of Grateful Dead songs (wanna say there's two, but can only find Dark Star at the moment). he also recorded with them live, and you can stream it from dead.net, though I don't feel like negotiating with my firewall at the moment--not that I don't trust Grateful Dead Radio, but what if something else is waiting--anyway, I'm told that the Dead weren't quite up to Murray at this point ('93), but here's one with his own Octet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoXiWIaJmbs

And another

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4-hKESDh6I

Ornette Coleman played w the Dead too; not seeing that, but here's Garcia w Coleman & Prime Time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwQvcMQsOfU&feature=related

^ sounds like a timbaland beat

Not sure what to really categorize this stuff as, but Danny Gatton (guitar) and Buddy Emmons (pedal steel) did some pretty cool stuff as the Redneck Jazz Explosion:

Good footage (kinda crazy watching Gatton's hands)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGGE4CrPvjU

Softspot for this one too, though almost loungey at times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKq7bb7Q-yk&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLCFB5766FE3473F36

speaking of paul winter, this belongs here too

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzddysnYlQk/SOjF_aPY2JI/AAAAAAAAA-E/BEbr55VjHfk/s400/Oregon_%26_Elvin_Jones_-_Together_Front.JPG

oh yeah, I forgot they did that w Elvin, talk about an extended range! Brave Oregon pioneers. Before I forget, Robert Randolph has been known to chase Trane on pedal steel, and he's once again on an Experience Hendrix tour. Turtle Island String Quartet has also covered Hendrix well, ditto Coltrane, a whole album of his songs, and ones he covered/ They've got that barefoot sound. And also before I forget, always liked this--Pavement transmuted, inspiration no longer seemingly offhanded, still cool
http://www.thedwarf.com.au/var/plain/storage/images/albumreviews/gold_sounds_james_carter_cyrus_chestnut_ali_jackson_and_reg_veal/773727-4-eng-GB/gold_sounds_james_carter_cyrus_chestnut_ali_jackson_and_reg_veal_album.jpg