DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

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hey, the chief super said that half the allegations of racism against the Met were raised by police officers so obv they've got this shit sorted

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 April 2012 08:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17815769

never thought I'd find myself agreeing with Nadine Dorries in any way!

boxedjoy, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

she's been running with this line for a while now hasn't she? makes total sense that she's embracing the ~maverick backbencher~ role (and all she;s doing is aligning herself with the tory grassroots)

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

passion to want to understand the lives of others
passion to want to understand the lives of others
passion to want to understand the lives of others
passion to want to understand the lives of others
passion to want to understand the lives of others

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Trainspotting sequel where Begbie's done pretty well for himself.

michael nyman cat (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

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Unhappily, I resigned from the Labour Party in March this year but will continue my work in the House of Commons, as an Independent Member of Parliament for Falkirk. Readers should note that my commitment to Labour values is still the same and my work in Parliament and in Falkirk continues in much the same way, allowing for some minor adjustments in my priorities and with a few less party political constraints.

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

O_O that interview

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 07:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

not saying this kind of guy flags up the farce of representative democracy, just saying

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 08:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

on a related note, i find that now the prospect of house of lords reform is upon us, the idea of another elected chamber full of career politicians fills me with dread

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 08:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes. terrible as the Lords is, i'm willing to believe that a Lords as envisioned by the Commons wd be even more terrible.

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

considered re-starting a "representative democracy is the shabby veneer on the rotten edifice of capitalist power" thread but what's the point? cynics gonna cynic, nihilists gonna despair, apologists for this fucking shambling death factory we call the free world gonna apologise

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

(inspired by re-reading previous discussions of the political process rather than thinking too hard about the boneheaded thug upthread)

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's terrible now in the sense of being a ludicrous oddity that no one takes seriously and doesn't actually wield that much power.

also i do feel it's important that there's somewhere in the legislature that doesn't have to pander to the electorate

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

if you mean "making lowest common denominator appeals to achieve a 'majority'" then yeah.

this is biggest part of the problem tho, how do you have a second tier of government that has real checks and balances on the lower tier, isn't an old people's version of the lower tier, and still has some democratic accountability/doesn't just represent the most powerful vested interests in the country?

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

apart from forbidding membership of the existing political parties in the upper house

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

also how do you "represent" a group of people whose interests - conscious and unconscious - are radically opposed to each other?

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

The other problem is how you have all those things and still maintain it has 2% of the power / legitimacy of the Commons.

Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17821018

"It can't be right to have people able on housing benefit to live in streets and homes that hard-working people are unable to live in themselves."

1. fuuuuuuck youuuuuu shapps
2.'hard working' and 'on housing benefit' are not mutually exclusive
3. you know what's really not right? a council unable to house people because there's fuck all social housing and no control on private rents

c sharp major, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

impossible to reconcile the housing concept of both 'basic right' and 'marketable asset', innit.

diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is biggest part of the problem tho, how do you have a second tier of government that has real checks and balances on the lower tier, isn't an old people's version of the lower tier, and still has some democratic accountability/doesn't just represent the most powerful vested interests in the country?

idk how important democratic accountability is in a second chamber - it's ideally meant to be a check ON the flaws of representative democracy. the trouble is how you balance that with having some form of credible composition

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't see why we can't have an elected second chamber, just like every other representative democracy on earth.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

we're getting rid of ours, tbf

diafiyhm (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

well not so much democratic accountability but representation of sections of society that need representation, i.e. not those sections that already have all the power.

of course the problem for me is that the whole edifice is a sham, but it's interesting to think about what an upper chamber with actual teeth cd be if it wasn't just a mirror of the lower chamber.

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

arguably slightly less of a sham if you remove hereditary peers, retired MPs from the lower house, QCs, bishops etc. The problem is not replacing them with identikit career politicians. Wild ideas: ban party affiliation? Elect using full PR?

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Appoint people at random like jury duty, idk.

Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

i said ban party affiliation upthread, i'm all for that. the major parties are the biggest barrier to democracy within the system as it exists.

of course if you banned them then analogous structures wd probly coalesce within 5 years, see the Iron Law of Oligarchy article i posted.

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

sorry, didn't see that re. party affiliation. Agreed that oligarchy is an iron law, but political structures can be devised to ameliorate oligarchy to a greater or lesser extent- e.g. Rawls' veil of ignorance (admittedly a thought experiment rather than a working model).

xp jury service idea is an interesting one! That would be truly democratic in the sense of the Athenian polis...

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

you cd sign up to be eligible to sit in the upper house and they cd do a draw every year to decide the requisite number of members, paid at national average plus reasonable expenses or something.

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

some kind of weighting to be roughly proportionally representative of gender, race, sexuality maybe

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

age perhaps as well?

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 11:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sounds like Russell Brand is having fun at the HoC.. Guardian has been live blogging.

mmmm, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 11:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Keith Vaz says the committee is running out of time.

Brand says you can never run out of time. Theresa May might not show up. She might not know what day it is.

Labour's David Winnick tells Brand this is "not a variety show".

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 11:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

you cd sign up to be eligible to sit in the upper house and they cd do a draw every year to decide the requisite number of members, paid at national average plus reasonable expenses or something.

― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:55 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some kind of weighting to be roughly proportionally representative of gender, race, sexuality maybe

― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:56 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

age perhaps as well?

― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:02 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

location too? make it an opt-out rather than opt-in system? obviously this is not foolproof but no system is, really.

agree with NV on party affiliation, but banning it would just conceal rather than eradicate it.

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 11:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Random upper house prob needs hardline anti-corruption laws?

woof, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 11:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Back in recession, Murdoch hanging Jeremy Cunt out to dry... we're slipping people.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 09:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hunt statement at 12:30

windborne grey frogs (dowd), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 10:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

his special advisor has just quit.

joe, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 10:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

"While it was part of my role to keep News Corporation informed throughout the BSkyB bid process, the content and extent of my contact was done without authorisation from the secretary of state. I do not recognise all of what Fréd Michel said, but nonetheless I appreciate that my activities at times went too far and have, taken together, created the perception that News Corporation had too close a relationship with the department, contrary to the clear requirements set out by Jeremy Hunt and the permanent secretary that this needed to be a fair and scrupulous process. Whilst I firmly believe that the process was in fact conducted scrupulously fairly, as a result of my activities it is only right for me to step down as special adviser to Jeremy Hunt."

"we didn't do anything wrong, which is why i'm resigning."

joe, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 10:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Advisor taking one for the team.

we are not bemused (onimo), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 10:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hunt's absolute inability to recognise he over-stepped the line is one of many depressing things about this whole saga.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 11:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's just par for the course for a hunt like him, it's not even depressing. Still good to see the Murdochs sticking the boot into Hunt and Salmond, two of the smuggest bastards in British politics... just a pity they couldn't have worked Gove and Grant Shapps in there too, oh and this guy...

... not that he's important or anything, just that he's a dick

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 11:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

jimmy somerville's in the coalition?

I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 11:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

run away, run away, run away

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 11:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure Hunt recognises he over-stepped the line really. But doesn't believe in the line. etc.

seapunk run. run punk run! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 12:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

amusing to see all the possible candidates for future tory leader besmirch their careers so thoroughly within two years of their first term in office

I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 12:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Back in recession - but the great majority of austerity cuts still to come, and they've hardly made a dent in the deficit.

All pain, no gain.

Bob Six, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 12:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Nah..

Someone's gainin'...

Mark G, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 12:25 (2 years ago) Permalink


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